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What to Do? Does Science have a Role? Klaus Hasselmann Max-Planck-Institut for Meteorology, Hamburg, European Climate Forum Heraeus Seminar Energy and Climate A Physics Perspective on Energy Supply and Climate Change Prediction, Mitigation and Adaptation 26 - 29 May 2008, Physikzentrum Bad Honnef, Discussion topics Interconnections: Climate change adaptation policy mitigation What to Do? Does Science have a Role? Hasselmann and Barker, Change, in press: Climatic • IPCC Working Group 3 (in contrast to WG1) has had very little political influence • The influential Stern Report, for example, developed its political recommendations independently • Needed is a new UN “Climate Policy Panel” that interacts continuously with policymakers • But to be effective a Climate Policy Panel will need to develop a new suite of Integrated Assessment (coupled climate-socioeconomic) models No longer disputed: • Climate change is real • The costs of unregulated climate change greatly exceed the costs of mitigation • There exist various technologies that, in combination, could limit global warming to acceptable levels (< 20C above pre-industrial) • The estimated costs (-1% to 4% of GDP), although appearing high today (a few trillion $), are quite affordable in the long term (a delay in long-term global growth, if at all, of a few months to a year) Strongly disputed: • How best transform our present unsustainable global economic system based on fossil fuels into a sustainable carbon-free system? • Do scientists have the right tools to provide useful signals that will be heard in the noisy debate over conflicting stakeholder interests, divergent national goals and the stresses of globalization? Answers: Traditional (main stream) economists: Yes, the available standard generalequilibrium macro-economic models are fine. Physics-based economists: No, we need a new generation of dynamic multi-agent dynamic models. Overview • Available technologies for closing the wedge between the BAU (Business as Usual) emissions trajectory and the sustainable emissions goal • Proposed strategies for closing the wedge • Traditional versus multi-agent economic models - with three examples of the latter: 1) Ginti’s model of the “invisible hand” 2) A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) of climate policies 3) A climate-policy evolution model • Conclusions Overview • Available technologies for closing the wedge between the BAU (Business as Usual) emissions trajectory and the sustainable emissions goal • Proposed strategies for closing the wedge • Traditional versus multi-agent economic models - with three examples of the latter: 1) Ginti’s model of the “invisible hand” 2) A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) of climate policies 3) A climate-policy evolution model • Conclusions Filling the wedge between projected BAU emissions and a sustainable emissions path (T< 20C) Business as Usual Energy efficiency: zero mean cost Low fruits renewables sustainability path High fruits (solar, and unproven or controversial options: CCS, nuclear, fusion, …) Overview • Available technologies for closing the wedge between the BAU (Business as Usual) emissions trajectory and the sustainable emissions goal • Proposed strategies for closing the wedge • Traditional versus multi-agent economic models - with three examples of the latter: 1) Ginti’s model of the “invisible hand” 2) A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) of climate policies 3) A climate-policy evolution model • Conclusions Basic climate policy instruments: 1. Whip: internalization of external costs (carbon price) 2. Carrot: subsidies (societal investments that are unprofitable for individual investors – bridging the difference between low discount rates appropriate for public investments and high discount rates demanded by private investors) 3. Regulatory framework: for sectors that are not amenable or sufficiently responsive to marketbased instruments (automobile emissions, building insulation, etc.) 4. Technical and financial transfer from rich to poor countries fossil energy low-fuits renewables energy costs climate damage costs high-fruits renewables (solar energy) fossil energy 1. whip low-fruits renewables (Kyoto, carbon price: internalize external costs) energy costs climate damage costs high-fruits renewables (solar energy) fossil energy 1. whip low-fruits renewables high-fuits renewables (solar energy) (Kyoto, carbon price: internalize external costs) low-cost renewables become competetive energy costs climate damage costs remain noncompetitive fossil energy 1. whip low-fruits renewables high-fruits renewables (solar energy) (Kyoto, carbon price: internalize external costs) low-cost renewables become competetive remain noncompetitive energy costs climate damage costs problem: limited abatement capacity! fossil energy 1. whip low-fruits renewables (Kyoto, carbon price: internalize external costs) high-fruits renewables (solar energy) 2. carrot (Post-Kyoto: subsidies) price reduction low-cost renewables become competetive energy costs climate damage costs both become competitive! Basic climate policy instruments: 1. Whip: internalization of external costs (carbon price) 2. Carrot: subsidies (societal investments that are unprofitable for individual investors – bridging the difference between low discount rates appropriate for public investments and high discount rates demanded by private investors) 3. Regulatory framework: for sectors that are not amenable or responsive to market-based instruments (automobile emissions, building insulation, etc.) 4. Technical and financial transfer from rich to poor countries 8 TC/yr BAU per capita emissions (speculative) USA 6 USA EU+Japan 4 EU+ Japan China World 2 India World China India 2000 Sustainability GOAL 2050 2100 8 TC/yr 6 Convergence and contraction paths Achievable only with significant N-S transfer of investments and technology USA USA EU+Japan 4 USA EU+ Japan China 2 World China India 2000 World EU+Japan India China Sustainability GOAL Indien 2050 2100 Challenge for global climate policy: arrive at an equitable international agreement structured on a combination on the four basic instruments: 1. carbon price 2. subsidies 3. regulatory framework 4. technical and financial transfer from developed to emerging and developing countries Task for science: Which type of coupled climate-socio-economic (IA) models should one apply to assess the impact of alternative climate policies? Overview • Available technologies for closing the wedge between the BAU (Business as Usual) emissions trajectory and the sustainable emissions goal • Proposed strategies for closing the wedge • Traditional versus multi-agent economic models - with three examples of the latter: 1) Ginti’s model of the “invisible hand” 2) A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) of climate policies 3) A climate-policy evolution model • Conclusions Traditional coupled climate-economic (integrated assessment-IA) model climate policy regulatory instruments scenario predictions climate system ghg emissions economic system impacts on production,welfare,… Single-actor “invisible hand“ establishes market equilibrium Shortcomings of economic equilibrium models: • exclusion of important dynamical processes (technological change, structural unemployment, rich-poor inequalities, business cycles, financial instabilities, globalization adjustments, ……) • inadequate representation of divergent interests between different actors (“tragedy of the commons” conflict between individual goals and societal responsibilities – in particular: climate , actordependent discount factors, business-labor relations, trade agreements,,....) • inadequate treatment of equity issues (burden sharing, rich-poor inequalities, conflict potential, terrorism, …) Multi-actor integrated assessment model climate policy scenario predictions climate system Actors: governments, voting public, media, CEOs, consumers, firms, workers, … ghg emissions regulatory instruments economic system impacts on production,welfare,… Multi-actor dynamic evolution, market response actor dependent Historical interjection: Four stages in the development of economic theory (a physicist’s view). 1. Verbalisation (story telling)_ Adam Smith (1723-1790), David Ricardo (1772-1823) Karl Marx (1818-1883), John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946) Joseph Schumpeter (1883-1950), Milton Friedman (1912-2006),... 2. Optimization (marginalization) Leon Walras(1834-1910), Kenneth Arrow (1921- ) , Gerard Debreu (1921-2004), Lionell McKenzie (1919-),... 3. Game theory (interactions between a few players) John von Neumann (1903-1958), John F. Nash (1928-),... 4. Simulation (continuous dynamics, multi-agent) Meadows et al, Limits to Growth (1972); Epstein and Axtell, Growing Artifical Societies (1996) (Sugarscape); John Sterman, Business Dynamics (2000); Eric Beinhocker, The Origin of Wealth (2006).... Historical interjection: Four stages in the development of economic theory (a physicist’s view). 1. Verbalisation (story telling)_ Adam Smith (1723-1790), David Ricardo (1772-1823) Karl Marx (1818-1883), John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946) Joseph Schumpeter (1883-1950), Milton Friedman (1912-2006),... 2. Optimization (marginalization) Leon Walras(1834-1910), Kenneth Arrow (1921- ) , Gerard Debreu (1921-2004), Lionell McKenzie (1919-),... 3. Game theory (interactions between a few players) John von Neumann (1903-1958), John F. Nash (1928-),... quantification 4. Simulation (continuous dynamics, multi-agent) Meadows et al, Limits to Growth (1972); Epstein and Axtell, Growing Artifical Societies (1996) (Sugarscape); John Sterman, Business Dynamics (2000); Eric Beinhocker, The Origin of Wealth (2006).... Economic theory is in the process of a radical paradigm shift from “traditional economics” based on a combination of verbalized descriptive concepts, economic equilibrium analyses and basic game theoretical elements to “complexity economics” based on computer simulations of multi-agent interactions in a dynamically evolving system. This raises two questions: 1) The emergence problem; How do macro-economic structures emerge from the complex micro-economic interactions of many agents pursuing different goals? 2) The parametrization problem: How can one represent the dynamics of macroeconomic systems in terms of the interactions between a small set of aggregated agents? And in the present context: can one apply such models to assess the impacts of climate policies on the global socio-economic system? This raises two questions: 1) The emergence problem; How do macro-economic structures emerge from the complex micro-economic interactions of a multitude of agents pursuing different goals? 2) The parametrization problem: How can one represent the dynamics of macroeconomic systems in terms of the interactions between a small set of aggregated agents? And in the present context: can one apply such models to assess the impacts of climate policies on the global socio-economic system? Overview • Available technologies for closing the wedge between the BAU (Business as Usual) emissions trajectory and the sustainable emissions goal • Proposed strategies for closing the wedge • Traditional versus multi-agent economic models - with three examples of the latter: 1) Ginti’s model of the “invisible hand” 2) A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) of climate policies 3) A climate-policy evolution model • Conclusions Herbert Gintis, The dynamics of general equilibrium, The Economics Journal, 117, 1280-1309 (Oct. 2007) (Simulations kindly provided by Steffen Fuerst, PIK) Question: How does the “invisible hand” of Adam Smith lead to an equilibrium price of goods in which supply and demand are exactly balanced? (The basic credo of economic equilibrium theory) Embarrassing counter-example, Scarf (1960): three agents offering and demanding three different goods result in a periodic non-equilibrium price attractor. Gintis’ approach: a large number of producers and consumers interacting individually with each other. Agent type 1: 140 Firms (on average): - produce 10 different goods, - set (individual) prices, - take up credit (from a “central authority“), - pay taxes, - imitate successful competitors, - can go bankrupt (to be replaced by newcomers) Agent type 2: 5250 workers/consumers/shareholders: - work or become unemployed (receiving wages or unemployment benefits) - consume goods - buy shares Agent type 3: one “central authority“: - imposes and distributes taxes - creates and lends money/ accepts savings Results: • Establishment of a statistical equilibrium, with random fluctuations about the mean state - although all trades were based on local information only: a nice confirmation of the “invisible hand“ • But: Are the actor strategies realistic? No business cycles, recessions, financial instabilities, technological change, structural unemployment, social inequalities,.... • Clearly, we have some way to go to construct reasonably realistic multi-actor economic models! • Nevertheless: a historical aside on the rate of progress: - Adam Smith: “The Wealth of Nations“: 1776 ; - Herbert Gintis: The Economic Journal, October, 2007 This raises two questions: 1) The emergence problem; How do macro-economic structures emerge from the complex micro-economic interactions of a multitude of agents pursuing different goals? 2) The parametrization problem: How can one represent the dynamics of macroeconomic systems in terms of the interactions between a small set of aggregated agents? And in the present context: can one apply such models to assess the impacts of climate policies on the global socio-economic system? Overview • Available technologies for closing the wedge between the BAU (Business as Usual) emissions trajectory and the sustainable emissions goal • Proposed strategies for closing the wedge • Traditional versus multi-agent economic models - with three examples of the latter: 1) Ginti’s model of the “invisible hand” 2) A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) of climate policies 3) A climate-policy evolution model • Conclusions Example 2: A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) Hoos, G, V. Barth and K. Hasselmann, Ecological Journal , 54, 306-327, 2005 Attempt to capture the emergent structures of a macro-economic system in terms of the interactions of a few aggregated actors (firms, households, governments, banks) pursuing different goals – and to apply this to climate policy assessment. MADIAM: Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model Climate NICCS: Non-linear Impulse response coupled Carbon cycleClimate System Policy + CO2 emissions Economics MADEM: Multi-Actor Dynamic Economic Model Climate change : space-time fields of temperature, precipitation, cloud cover, sea level, etc MADEM (Multi-Actor Dynamic Economic Model) Actors Goals Firms Workers Governments Banks Maximize profits Maximize wages Maximize GDP Stabilize money supply All actors strive to achieve individual goals while jointly committed to avoiding dangerous climate change (classical “tragedy of the commons” conflict) MADEM mathematical structure: state variables x = (xi) control variables z = (zi) = Ci(x) ( Ci(x) define the actors’ control strategies) Prognostic equations: dxi/dt = Fi (x,z) = Gi (x) 10 state variables xi : physical capital, productivity, employed workers, wages, household and firm savings, government budget deficit, energy intensity, carbon intensity, fossil resources Control parameters: Firms: Investments in physical capital Investments in productivity Investments in emissions reduction Credit uptake/Savings Consumers/Wage earners: Wage negotiations Credit uptake/Savings Consumer preferences (climate friendly or climate adverse goods) Governments: Emissions tax Recycled taxes (in consumption or subsidies in renewables) Principal driver of economic growth: Investments in technological change Firms strive to escape the erosion of profits through the pressures of competition (increasing wage levels, diffusion of technological advantages) by continually investing in technology and know how (human capital). Structural unemployment arises when it is more profitable for firms to invest in productivity (technology - with associated reduction in employment) than in physical capital (Basic idea expressed by classical economists of all persuasions - Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Joseph Schumpeter, ... – but ignored in traditional economic equlibrium models) BAU / MM (Moderate Mitigation) 28 800 CO2 emissions 3,0 CO2 concentration Global Mean Temperature Change 24 8 1,5 1,0 MM 400 MM time [y] 0 20 40 time [y] 300 60 80 100 18 Production 0 20 40 60 80 100 10 8 6 4 Profits 16 12 BAU 10 MM 8 6 0 10 BAU 8 MM 0 20 40 60 80 100 6 0 20 40 60 8 6 4 100 80 60 MM 40 2 time [y] 0 20 40 60 80 100 0 100 20 40 60 80 100 Savings 16 12 10 BAU 8 6 BAU MM 4 MM 2 time [y] 0 80 MM time [y] 14 20 BAU 0 normalized climate damages 10 BAU 0 Climate damages 120 normalized net carbon eff. 12 100 18 Net carbon efficiency 14 80 2 time [y] 140 16 60 4 0 18 40 Wages 12 2 time [y] 20 16 4 2 0 14 normalized profits 12 time [y] 18 14 normalized production 14 MM 0,0 18 16 BAU 0,5 4 0 Temperature [C] 500 2,0 BAU normalized wages 12 600 2,5 normalized savings Emissions [Gt C] 16 BAU Concentration [ppmV] 700 20 0 20 40 60 80 100 time [y] 0 0 20 40 60 80 100 ITC (Induced Technological Change) 28 800 CO2 emissions 3,0 CO2 concentration Global Mean Temperature Change Emissions [Gt C] BAU 8 MM s averate 10% 500 Poly. (BAU) MM 1,5 ITC 1,0 Poly. (MM) Poly. (s averate 10%) MM 400 ITC 4 time [y] 0 0 2,0 BAU 20 40 60 80 100 time [y] 0 20 40 Production 60 80 100 6 5 4 3 7 6 5 4 BAU 3 ITC 2 1 -1 20 40 6 5 4 3 60 0 20 40 80 100 0 150 MM 100 deviation from MM scenario[%] -20 -40 -60 -80 0 50 20 40 60 100 12 10 8 6 60 80 100 Savings BAU ITC 4 MM 2 ITC 0 20 40 60 MM 0 time [y] -100 80 40 14 -50 time [y] 20 16 BAU 0 BAU 0 18 Climate damages deviation from MM scenario[%] 200 time [y] -2 60 250 ITC 20 MM -1 time [y] 300 40 100 ITC 0 350 Net carbon efficiency 80 BAU 1 MM 0 100 60 2 -2 80 7 ITC -1 60 40 Wages 8 BAU 1 time [y] -2 20 9 2 MM 0 0 Profits 9 deviation from MM scenario[%] 7 0 10 8 deviation from MM scenario[%] 8 time [y] 0,0 10 9 ITC 0,5 300 10 MM deviation from MM scenario[%] 12 600 BAU deviation from MM scenario[%] 16 2,5 BAU Temperature [C] 700 20 Concentration [ppmV] 24 time [y] -2 80 100 0 20 40 60 80 100 Relative demand Good1(climate-friendly)/Good2(climate-hostile) 600 11 2,5 550 500 1/2 6 1/6 1/2 1/1 BAU 1/1 Emissions [Gt C] 5 4 3 2 1 0 0 450 MM 1,5 saverate 10% Poly. (BAU) 1,0 Poly. (MM) 400 Poly. (saverate 10%) time [y] 20 40 60 time [y] 300 80 100 100 0 20 40 60 80 100 60 50 40 30 1/1 15 1/2 10 1/5 20 15 MM Series2 1/5 Poly. (Series2) Poly. (MM) 10 Poly. (BAU) 1/2 1/1 time [y] 0 20 40 60 80 100 40 60 80 100 Production BAU time [y] 0 0 20 20 5 10 0 25 normalized production 70 time [y] Production Good 2 20 normalized production 80 1/2 1/1 0,0 25 Production Good 1 90 1/6 0,5 350 0 normalized production 7 2,0 Temperature [C] 1/6 Concentration [ppmV] 9 8 Global Mean Temperature Change CO2 concentration CO2 emissions 10 20 40 60 80 100 1/1 1/2 BAU MM Series2 1/6 Poly. (Series2) Poly. (MM) Poly. (BAU) 5 time [y] 0 0 20 40 60 80 100 mitigation measures: w: weak, 30 20 (a) Emissions 20 15 10 (b) Production 15 BAU w 10 m 5 5 normalized production Emissions [Gt C] 25 m: moderate, s: strong BAU s time [y] w m s time [y] 0 0 0 20 40 60 80 100 0 20 40 60 80 100 Estimates of the costs of climate change mitigation: 1 % of GDP Consistent with: IPCC 4th Assessment Report; macroeconomic model intercomparison, The Energy Journal, Special Issue, 2006; the Stern Review, 2006). Range of other estimates: -1 % to + 4% of GDP Is climate change mitigation affordable? 4- 3- 1% BAU growth 2GDP (log Scale) 1- 2000 2100 Is climate change mitigation affordable? 4- 3- 1% BAU growth 2BSP (log Skala) 1- 2000 1% GDP loss corresponds to a delay of 1 year over a period of 100 years–an affordable insurance premium to avoid the risk of dangerous climate change! 2100 Overview • Available technologies for closing the wedge between the BAU (Business as Usual) emissions trajectory and the sustainable emissions goal • Proposed strategies for closing the wedge • Traditional versus multi-agent economic models - with three examples of the latter: 1) Ginti’s model of the “invisible hand” 2) A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) of climate policies 3) A climate-policy evolution model • Conclusions Third example: A multi-actor model of the evolution and implementation of climate policy Scenarios from 1970 (first serious warnings of climate change) to 2100 (end of IPCC scenarios) Simplified MADIAM, extended to include • interaction of scientific knowledge, interest groups, media, etc in climate policy development and implementation • identification of critical policy parameters (e.g. whip and carrot policies) (8) global warming warming rate GDP emissions research low fruits technology policy concepts policy information (1) scientific knowledge (3) (2) Climate policies carbon price whip policy implementation T1 T2 glatt 1 IPCC media NGOs extreme events public low fruits investments (4) (5) solar technology subsidies carrot solar investments vested interests A Vensim model of the climate-policy obstacle course: from scientific knowledge (1) to reduced global warming (8) (7) carbon intensity (6) Three stages: 1: scientific knowledge (1 ) to policy information (2) 2: Information (2) to mitigation technology (5) 3: mitigation technology (5) to global warming (8) global warming warming rate (8) GDP (2) Climate policies research carbon price whip (4) policy concepts policy information (1) scientific knowledge emissions (3) policy implementation T1 media NGOs extreme events low fruits investments T2 glatt 1 IPCC low fruits technology public (5) solar technology subsidies carrot solar investments vested interests A Vensim model of the climate-policy obstacle course: from scientific knowledge (1) to reduced global warming (8) (7) carbon intensity (6) Stage 1: From scientific knowledge (1) (IPCC) to policy information (2) via the media, vested interests, extreme events, etc. Climate policies (2) policy concepts policy information (1) research scientific knowledge IPCC media NGOs extreme events public vested interests Step 1: From scientific knowledge (1) (IPCC) to policy information (2) via the media, vested interests, extreme events, etc. (1) IPCC (2)Policy information 4 4 2 2 0 1970 0 1970 1990 2010 2030 2050 Time (Year) 2070 IPCC : reference 2 2090 SK 2010 2030 2060 Time (Year) extreme events : reference 2 0 1970 2090 SK 2070 2090 policy information : reference 2 SK Vested interests 4 10 2000 2030 2050 Time Media extreme events 0 1970 1990 0 2000 2030 2060 Time (Year) media : reference 2 -4 1970 2090 SK 2000 2030 2060 Time (Year) vested interests : reference 2 2090 SK Stage 2: The delay cascade: Information (2) to mitigation technology (5) (2) policy information (3) policy concepts carbon price whip low fruits technology (4) policy implementation low fruits investments (5) solar technology subsidies carrot solar investments Step 2: The delay cascade: Information (2) to mitigation technology (5) Policy concepts Policy information 4 0.4 2 0.2 0 1970 1990 2010 2030 2050 2070 2090 Time (2) policy information : Test 23 Mar SK 0 1970 2000 (3) 2030 2060 Time (Year) policy concepts : Test 23 Mar Low fruits/solar technology (5) 2090 WGDP (4) Policy implementation 0.4 20 Year*WGDP 20 Year*WGDP 0.2 0 Year*WGDP 0 Year*WGDP 1970 2010 2050 Time (Year) low fruits technology : Test 23 Mar solar technology : Test 23 Mar 2090 Year*WGDP Year*WGDP 0 1970 2000 2030 2060 Time (Year) policy implementation : Test 23 Mar 2090 WGDP Stage 3: From mitigation technology (5) to global warming (8) warming rate global warming GDP emissions (7) low fruits technology low fruits investments (5) solar technology solar investments carbon intensity (6) (8) Step 3: From mitigation technology (5) to global warming (8) (5) Low fruits/solar technology solar 0 Year*WGDP 0 Year*WGDP low fruits 2000 2030 2060 Time (Year) low fruits technology : run Alcala solar technology : run Alcala 2090 Year*WGDP Year*WGDP 8 WGDP 8 WGDP BAU GDP : run Alcala GDP : run Alcala 2030 2050 Time (Year) BAU emissions : run Alcala emissions : run Alcala 2070 GTC/Year GTC/Year global warming BAU ------2 degree limit -------------------------------- policy 2010 0 GTC/Year policy 0 GTC/Year 1970 1990 2010 2030 2050 2070 2090 Time 4 degC 4 degC BAU 1990 BAU 20 GTC/Year 20 GTC/Year (8) GDP 0 WGDP 0 WGDP 1970 Emissions 40 GTC/Year 40 GTC/Year 20 Year*WGDP 20 Year*WGDP 1970 (7) 2090 WGDP WGDP 0 degC 0 degC 1970 policy 1990 2010 2030 2050 Time (Year) BAU global warming : run Alcala global warming : run Alcala 2070 2090 degC degC What are the critical parameters that govern the effectiveness of climate policy? • the whip factor: the emissions cap in a cap and trade system • the carrot factor: the subsidies level, in particular for solar energy • the delay factor: time delay between policy concepts and implementation See Vensim sensitivity simulation…. Overview • Available technologies for closing the wedge between the BAU (Business as Usual) emissions trajectory and the sustainable emissions goal • Proposed strategies for closing the wedge • Traditional versus multi-agent economic models - with three examples of the latter: 1) Ginti’s model of the “invisible hand” 2) A Multi-Actor Dynamic Integrated Assessment Model (MADIAM) of climate policies 3) A climate-policy evolution model • Conclusions Consider again the two basic questions raised by the paradigm shift from traditional economic equilibrium theory to “complexity economics”: 1) The emergence problem; How do macro-economic structures emerge from the complex micro-economic interactions of many agents pursuing different goals? 2) The parametrization problem: How can one represent the dynamics of macroeconomic systems in terms of the interactions between a small set of aggregated agents? Proponents of the paradigm shift have focused on the first problem: the emergence problem: e.g. Eric Beinhocker, 2006: “The ultimate accomplishment of Complexity Economics [is to take us] from theories of agents, networks and evolution all the way up to the macro-economic patterns we see in realworld economies. Such a comprehensive theory does not yet exist, but we can begin to see glimmers of hope….” However, if we wish to close the present gap between useful scientific advice and climate policy, we need also to urgently address the second problem: the parametrization problem However, if we wish to close the present gap between useful scientific advice and climate policy, we need also to urgently address the second problem: the parametrization problem I hope I have provided you also with a “glimmer of hope” Thank you for listening