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Dear friends I had talked about Bhrigu Chakra Paddhati. Apparently, the method has classical roots and I expect Sreenadh-ji to provide us with some more clues about this technique. It is felt that I should discuss my observations & my understanding about the technique with someone from Astrology background. The system is dependent on degree-cal difference of Lagna and different planets. So, in a way, it is less dependent on Ayanamsha. However, when lagna or planets are at the border of signs / navamsha, where slight change of Ayanamsha, signs / navamsha can change, the usual problem again crops up. Anyway, I am giving below the concepts that I do use - along with areas which needs some thought. Basics : a) b) c) d) e) f) g) Lagna & planets progresses at 30 degree / 360 days. Some uses 30 degree / 365.242 days as well. When the progresses lagna / planets reach a sensitive point, an event can be triggered. The nature of event will also be dependent on other factors like transits etc. The sensitive points are generally - The degree of (i) Sign lord (ii) Aspecting planets (iii) Planets that are in navamshaka of that sign (Say, Jupiter getting n Cancer navamshaka will influence the behavior of Sign Cancer ). If one sign is aspected, the other sign of the same lord will get same sensitive point. The usual astrological concepts are fully applicable. It appears that in presence of Ketu, the calculations do not match exactly. It appears that as the age progresses, the lagna movement does not exactly match any method. Some correction factor needs to be applied ……..something like precessional movement. Possible pitfalls : When someone is dealing with so many numbers, there is a tendency to match the results somehow. Also chances are high that there will be sheer co-incidences, providing some apparent pattern in small scale checks. The method, if correct, can be a very good Post-mortem aid in stand-alone mode. However, for projecting in to future, it may not be useful in present form. Let me try out the method with some examples. I have tried both 360 days and 365.242 days. And also, where applicable, forward and backward movement for odd and even signs. Please note that the calculation is very much dependent on Lagna degree. Possible causes of inexactitude of Lagna is (a) Different Ayanamsha Mostly does not matter except when the planets or lagna is at the Sandhi of two signs. (b) TOB The error will be persistent in each cases and hence can be guessed. However, if there are two or more planets are almost at the same degree, confusions may be there about how to relate and whom to relate Example One : DOB : Aug 17, 1962, 19:00 hrs, Delhi (AIA Quiz-2 data). There are 4 important events mentioned. Let us cross-check the events along with progressed lagna . Let us try to cross-check them, one by one & find whether any pattern exist or not. As the Lagna is in odd sign, BCP and Sasank Saradeeya (SS) will give same result. A) House Rashi Degree D-9 Navamsa Sphuta Lagna Sun 1st 7th Aqua Leo 2d20’15”” Od49’47” 1st -Libra 1st- Aries 20.04 7.46 Moon Mars 1st 5th Aqua Gemini 24d52’39” 3d29’ 8th-Taurus 2nd-Scorpio 16.10 1.35 Mercury (Jupiter) 7th 1st Leo Aqua 18d24’46” 16d11’22” 6th-Virgo 5th-Aqua 14.29 25.48 Venus Saturn 8th 12th Virgo Capricorn 16d8’42 13d30’39” 5th-Taurus 5th-Taurus 25.00 1.60 Rahu Ketu 6th 12th Cancer Capricorn 15d35’48” 15d35’48” 5th-Scorpio 5th-Taurus 20.37 20.37 Marriage on 04 Nov 1984 a) SS/ BCP – 360 days : Age 22.54166 years. Progressed lagna is at Sagittarius 18d 35’, which is quite close to degree of Mercury. How Mercury is connected to Sagittarius is not apparent here. However, same can be explained with a different navamsha approach. b) SS/ BCP-365.242 days : Age 22.2161943565 years. Progressed lagna is at Sagittarius 8d49’. However no correlation is found. B) Birth of 1st Son : 03 Nov 1985 a) SS/ BCP – 360 days : Age 23.552778 yrs. The progressed lagna is in Capricorn, at 18d55 which is again close to degree of Mercury. As the Me is 5L and aspects Aquarius and hence this is justifiable. b) SS/BCP – 365.242 days : 23.213557 yrs. The progressed lagna is at Capricorn at 8d44’. No correlation could be found. C) Birth of second son on 09 Oct 1995 a) SS/ BCP – 360 days : Age 33.62777 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Scorpio at 21d10’. No correlation observed. Although Rahu is getting Scorpio navamshaka with Navamsha sphuta of 20d… but should this be allowed ? No. b) SS/BCP – 365.242 days : Age 33.14511. Progressed lagan is at 6 Sc 41. No correlation found. D) Surgery on 27 Aug 2004 : a) SS/ BCP – 360 days : Age 42.64166 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Leo – 21d 35’. No correlation observed. b) SS/BCP – 365.242 days : Age 42.02738 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Leo, 3d09 min. May be correlated with degree of Mars. Conclusion : No real trend so far. Example Two : 08 Feb, 1983, 04:16 Hrs, Delhi (AIA Quiz-3, posted by Neelam-ji) Events : a) Marriage to take place on 29 November, 2009 b) Death of brother on 19 July 2002 . A) House Rashi Degree D-9 Lagna Sun 1st 2nd Sagi Cp 8d40’15”” 24d59’ 7th -Ge 99th - Leo Moon Mars 1st 3rd Sagi Aqua 0d04’37” 23d09’ 5th-Aries 5th-Aries Mercury (Jupiter) Venus Saturn 1st 12th 3rd 11th Sagi Scorpio Aqua Libra 29d17’46” 13d5’26” 17d52’11” 10d48’ 1st- Sagi 12th - Sco 4th-Pi 2nd -Cp Rahu Ketu 7th 1st Gemini sagi 9d53’08” 9d53’08” 1st - sagi 7th-Gemini Marriage day on 29.11.2009 : a) SS/ BCP – 360 days : Age 27.19722 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Pisces at 14d34 min. However, if we consider the TOB is slightly off and the Lgana is at approx 8d, then the progressed lagna is at Pisces 13d54..which is very close to degree of Jupiter. Also the navamsha falls at Scorpio where Jup is posited. But connection of Jup with marriage is not apparent from chart / navamsha. b) SS/BCP – 365.242 days : 26.80495 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Pisces 2d09 min… No correlation observed ___________________________________________________________________________________ Example Three : 20 June, 1975, approx 06:55 hrs, Dibrugarh (Lady) Lagna Hous e Rashi Degree D-9 1st Cancer 8-9 Virgo Navams a Sphuta Sun 12th Gemini 4°35’45 Sco 11.40 Moon 4th Libra 19° 8’46" Pisces 22.35 Mars 9th Pisces 28°28’43" Pisces 16.41 Mercury 11th Taurus 21°44’47 “ Cancer 15.66 (Jupiter) 9th Pisces 26°30’43 Aqua 28.68 Venus 1st Cancer 19°57’26" Sag 29.64 Saturn Rahu Ketu 12 5th 11th Gemini Scorpio Taurus 25°42’49" 7°15’35" 7°15’35" Taurus Virgo Pisces 21.49 5.4 5.4 Lagna is at approx 8-9 degree of Cancer. Assuming 8.5d Events : A) B) C) D) E) Death of Father Marriage 1st Son 2nd Son Surgery : 03 December, 1989 : 05 June 1997 : 25th Jan, 1999 : 08 September, 2004 : 13th November 2008. A) Death of Father happened on 3rd December, 1989. a) BCP -360 days : Age 14.66666 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Virgo, 28d29’ –this is very close to degree of Mars, which is aspecting Virgo. Mars, 10L is also Maraka to 9L Jupiter. So, it does match b) BCP-356.242 days : Progressed lagna is at Virgo at 22d8’… might be correlated with degree of Mercury if lagna was at slightly less than 8d. c) SS-360 days : Progressed lagna is Aries at 18d30’ . No correlation d) SS-365.242 days : progressed lagna is at Aries at 24d51’ . No correlation Additional : If we look at the chart, The sensitive points in Virgo is 26.5 degree (aspect of Jup), 28.5 degree (aspect of Mars), 21.6 degree ( degree of sign lord). As Virgo is 3rd house, 7th to 9th house, it can show death of father. Mars is lord of 10H..so a Maraka for 9L B) Marriage took place on 05th June 1997. a) BCP -360 days : Age 22.28055 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Taurus – 16d54’ does not match. b) BCP-356.242 days : Age 21.95867 years. Progressed lagna is at Taurus 7d14’ - degree of Ketu at Taurus. Match ? c) SS-360 days : Progressed lagna is at Virgo 0d5’. No correlation d) SS-365.242 days : progressed lagna is at Virgo 9d45 . No correlation C) Birth of 1st Son on 25 Jan 1999 a) BCP -360 days : Age 23.94444 yrs. The progressed lagna is in Cancer 6d49’. No match b) BCP-356.242 days: Age 22.599601 yrs. The progressed lagna is in Taurus .. 26d29’. This is close to Jup’s degree (Match ?). However, Jup’s relation with Taurus or its lord Venus is not apparent. c) SS-360 days : Age 23.94444. Progressed lagna is in Cancer at 10d10’. No correlation d) SS-365.242 days : Age 22.599601. Progressed lagna is in Leo, 20d30. Close to degree of Mercury…but connection of Mercury and Leo is not apparent. D) Birth of 2nd son on 08 Sept 2004. a) BCP -360 days : Age 29.647222 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Sagittarius 27d54…close to Mars’ degree. (Mars is 5L) b) BCP-356.242 days: Age 29.21903 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Sagittarius 15d4’. No correlation. c) SS-360 days : Age 29.647222 yrs Progressed lagna is at Capricorn at 19d5’. Close to Moon’s & Venus’ degree. (Moon and Venus are in parivartana.) However, no clear correlation d) SS-365.242 days : Age 29.21903 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Aquarius at 1d55’. No correlation. E) Minor surgery on 12th November, 2008. a) BCP -360 days : Age 33.86111 yrs. The progressed lagna is at Taurus 4d 19’. No correlation. Except, may be related to Sun (4d35’) which sits at Scorpio navamsha and may be, arguably, aspects Taurus. b) BCP-356.242 days: Age 33.39699 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Aries, 20d24’. Tenuous correlation with Mercury or Venus (degree-wise). However, no relation exists in chart or navamsha. c) SS-360 days : Age 33.86111 yrs . Progressed lagna is at Virgo 12d40’. No correlation. d) SS-365.242 days : Age 33.39699 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Virgo 26d35’. Again Tenuous correlation with degree of Jupiter. Example Four : DOB : 08 November, 1970, 08:40 hrs, Dibrugarh (elder brother of lady of Example-three) Hous e Rashi Degree D-9 Lagna 1st Sagi 3d35’ Ta Sun 11th Libra 21d51’ Ar Moon 3rd Aqua 12d51’ Cp Mars 10th Virgo 18d25’ Ge Mercury 11th Libra 28d56’ Ge Jupiter 11th Libra 22d46’ Ar (Venus) 11th Libra 25d26’ Ta (Saturn) Rahu Ketu 5th 3rd 9th Ar Aqua Leo 25d56’ 6d14’ 6d14’ Sco Sco Ta Events : a) Death of father = 3rd December, 1989 b) Marriage = 26th April, 1998 c) Birth of daughter = 10th March, 1999 Navams a Sphuta A) Death of Father happened on 3rd December, 1989. a) BCP / SS-360 days : Age 19.34722 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Cancer 13d59’. This does not match. However, if the lagna degree is slightly less..approx 2d20’…this does match. Also, Cancer being 8th house, (12th to 9th lord), will justify the event. ( I have used 2d20’ for further calculation) b) BCP/SS-356.242 days : Age 19.06844 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Cancer 5d38. Does not match. B) Marriage on 26th April, 1998 a) BCP / SS-360 days : Age 27.86388 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Pisces, 28d14. Close to Mercury’s degree. Mercury is 7th Lord. So can show marriage. But Mercury and Pisces are not connected. b) BCP/SS-356.242 days : Age 27.46270 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Pisces, 16d12’. Does not match C) Birth of Daughter on 10th March, 1999 a) BCP / SS-360 days : Age 28.74222 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Aries 24d35’..close to Saturn’s degree and location. So, this is a match b) BCP/SS-356.242 days : Age 28.33402 yrs. Progressed lagna is at Aries 12d41’. No correlation. CONCLUSION 1) Apparently, few things do match and few do not. 2) The doubt is…..whether the matching is random (as happens while playing with Calculator, crunching random numbers) or is there a pattern underlying. 3) There appears to be some gap between degree of Lagna and happenings. The gap increases as the age increases…roughly 1 degree in 70 years. (this is based on some charts which I had tried earlier, but not included in this. Anyway, please tell me whether I should pursue this direction of thought or not. Regards P L Chakraborty Random Thoughts The following is a random thought…… may be there is something in the thought that I would pursue in future. Just sharing with all of you. There has been discussions about various navamsha. Few prominent authors have expressed that Normal navamsha (classical or Parashari, Cyclic, Harmonic or whatever we call them) does not give good results while applying with Jaimini analysis. So people have come with possible navamsha construction techniques. Eminent astrologers like Rath-ji and Shanmukh-ji have come up with a navamsha what they call Nadi-amsa or jaimini Navamsa. Sri PVR-ji has come with a slight variation of that. Somehow, these methods do not appear logical to me. (How audacious !!!) In these charts, I have mentioned that sometimes rasi & navamsha do not show any apparent connection with the happening. Hence I tried few of these Navamsha techniques too. But later on, I tried to see the Logic of these methods. And now I am trying a new method……. Construction Logic Basic Logic : The strength of rashi is most for following amsha Chara : 1st amsha (start) th Sthira : the 9 Amsa (end) Dual : the 5th Amsha (middle). It was felt that this property should get reflected in navamsha too. That is, 1st part of any Chara Rashi should get that particular navamsha. 0-3d20 of Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn should get Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn respectively . In any Navamsha construction method, this is followed. The 9th Amsha of Sthira Rashi should get the same navamsha. That is 26d40’-30d0’ minute of Taurus, leo, Scorpio and Aqua should get Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aqua respectively. Similarly, 13d20’-16d40’ part (5th amsha) of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces (all dual rashi- I know I should write Dwiswabhava….but dual is a good short-cut) should get the Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces navamsha. However, in any of these navamsha methods, same is never attained. The way out, logically, is very simple. Follow the starting points for navamsha counting espoused by Krishna Mishra and counting shall be done in forward direction for Chara Rashi and in reverse direction for other rashi-s (Sthira & Dual rashi). That way, we will get 9 navamshaka from each rasi (one of the shortcomings of navamsha methods of Shanmukh-ji/ Rath-ji). Mapping Logic All navamsha starts from Chara Rashi Direction of count : In forward direction for Chara Rashi. In reverse direction for Sthira & Dual rashi Starting Point : Ar, Leo & Sag From Aries Ta, Vi & Cp From Cp Ge, Li & Aqua From Li Cn, Sc & Pi From Cn The outcome would be as follows : (Arrow –Start of Counting and direction) Ar Ta Ge Cn Leo Virgo Libra Sco Sag Ar Ta Ge Cn Leo Virgo Lib Sc Sag Cp Aqua Pi Hope somebody does some experimentation with this one too before discarding. Regards P L Chakraborty Cp Aqua Pi