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June 2013
THE ARTICLE
‘DEMOGRAPHY
EXPLAINS TWO-THIRDS
OF EVERYTHING’
IS AN ABSTRACT FROM THE
JULIUS BAER PUBLICATION,
‘FROM INSIGHT TO
ACTION’.
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PEOPLE
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Demography explains
two-thirds of everything
With the baby-boomer generation entering retirement age,
pension funds are increasingly facing the problem that
they struggle to secure their financing. David K. Foot, Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Toronto,
says that if people had paid more attention to demographics,
these problems would have become obvious years ago and
one could have prepared for them. Furthermore, he argues
that in order for a country to be economically successful,
you do not necessarily need growth.
30 PEOPLE
Interview with David K. Foot, Professor Emeritus
of Economics at the University of Toronto
Text: Ayako Lehmann
Professor Foot, you argue that demography explains
two-thirds of everything. Can you comment on that?
In the very short term, that is over the next one to
two years, the state of the economy is the most important explanatory factor. But in the medium to
longer term, that is three to ten years, demographics
becomes more important in understanding the big
picture trends. On average, demographics has a
major explanatory power in the medium to longer
term in almost every sector of the economy.
The fact that the baby-boomer generation will eventually retire doesn’t come unexpectedly. And we knew
life expectancy was increasing. But it hasn’t been
realised in all consequences that life expectancy was
increasing two years every decade and the pension
funds have not taken this into consideration in their
projections. And yet this has been the case in all
developed countries for the last 60 years. It’s not until
something becomes a problem that people start
paying attention to it.
Will emerging market countries eventually overtake developed market countries?
Not necessarily. It depends whether we pursue sensible policies or not. I’m bothered about the common
thinking in developed markets: you can have negative
economic growth, which a lot of people feel is terrible,
but with negative population growth you can still have
rising per capita income, as this means that fewer
people get richer and richer. That’s for example what’s
currently happening in Japan. It’s not necessarily a
bad thing to have slower growth, you just have to make
sure that your growth exceeds population growth. At
the end of the day, it’s a question of income distribution.
So you’re arguing we don’t need growth?
Why are we so wrapped up with growth? It’s killing
the planet. As long as per capita income goes up, and
with much slower population growth, you can live
with slower economic growth to raise per capita income, so you don’t need growth. How? By saving
money on education and spending it instead more on
healthcare and pensions, thereby redistributing
spending. With demographics in developed markets
resulting in fewer and fewer people in the younger
generations, there’s less need to spend money on
education. At the same time, the elderly generation
is living longer and increasing, and that’s why more
money should be spent on healthcare.
Today the most rapidly ageing society is Japan, and
the developed markets are all following Japan. Europe
today is facing the problems Japan had in the 1990s,
and that was perfectly predictable from demographics.
If Europe had redistributed the spending earlier, we
wouldn’t see the problems we are seeing now.
Also, with demographics shrinking, there should be
enough job opportunities for the younger generation
if there is no need for desperate growth. Overall,
I feel we’re doing all the wrong things by thinking
of the past, when developed market countries were
young. But they are not young anymore, and we
haven’t been looking forward for the last 20 years.
Which countries are going to be the biggest
global players in the next 10 to 20 years?
China will definitely be one of the global players. The
question for China is: are they going to get old before
they get rich or are they going to get rich before they
get old? China is facing the same future as developed
market countries.
But let’s talk about other countries people haven’t
really thought about: Brazil and Turkey, but also Vietnam. Brazil is a country with close to 200 million
people, a big economy, with educated women, a very
well educated workforce under age 30 and still a
young society, so they don’t have to tax them for pension or healthcare. Turkey is another example and
shares several characteristics with Brazil. Within five
years, Turkey will become the biggest country in
Western Europe if you consider them as part of Western Europe, thereby overtaking Germany. Turkey has
a big domestic market, will have a population of over
80 million people who are well educated and young.
In a few year’s time, Turkey will turn and negotiate
deals with China and let Western Europe freeze in the
dark. The power has moved, Western Europe doesn’t
have the power anymore, neither does the USA. But as
the USA has a birth rate which allows them to replace
themselves, they will still remain more powerful than
other developed market countries. Vietnam has also a
very well educated population and a demographic
profile similar to Brazil and Turkey. It’s currently a little
further behind, but watch out, Vietnam is going to be
a major player down the road.
Which birth rate is necessary for an economy
so it can replace itself?
Research has taught me that a replacement birth
rate of 2.1 per family is ideal. You can have 0.4 points
above or below that and still do very well economically. If you have a birth rate which is above that, like
in India or the whole of the Arab countries, with a
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couple of exceptions, then you will have too many unemployed people which brings instability to the whole
society and that’s pretty much the case in most of
Africa.
Many countries in Western Europe face the exact opposite problem. With a birth rate below 1.7, which
I think is the absolute lowest threshold, you don’t have
enough children to support an ageing population.
Then you are mired in difficulties because you don’t
have a growing economy to pay off national debt.
So countries with less than 2.1 birth rate, say 1.7 to
1.9, don’t need growth but they can still do well
as long as they are good at managing stability. And
Scandinavia will do that. You allocate your spending
very differently. You may have to shrink the size of
towns, have the same municipal services and not live
more than ten miles from a city hall, for example.
You just allocate your resources very differently.
And what about countries which have a birth rate
below 1.7? What should they do?
Germany for example has a birth rate of 1.35, so it
will get into trouble down the road. In ageing soci eties, if you want to encourage spending you have
to raise interest rates and increase their income from
capital. That’s why I completely disagree with the
current central bank policies to keep interest rates at
such low rates. Germany has so far postponed the
problem very successfully by concentrating on high
productivity exports. Furthermore, they benefited
from the weak euro. But in the long run, this won’t
work. So far, not a single country with a low birth
rate has found a solution to this problem.
And by the way, a number of countries in the past said
they cannot pay back their national debt and hence
had to either default or restructure their debt. That may
not be sustainable from a lender’s perspective, but
it’s not uncommon to happen. Because the last thing
you want to do is impose austerity on a society as
that is not sustainable, so the current government policies in several European countries are not sustainable.
Japan owns most of the debt to themselves, so they
would only have to forgive themselves. And Argentina
restructured its national debt in the 1990s and they’ve
done reasonably well since. And yet neither quantitative easing, nor low interest rates, nor austerity are
the solution to the problem in the long run.
Back to the future
1900
1910
1925
1935
1954
The American eng-
The American
The electronics
The magazine
The first nuclear
ineer John Elfreth
inventor Hudson
expert Hugo Gerns-
‘Everyday Science
power station
Watkins makes his
Maxim predicts
back raises the
and Mechanics’
becomes operational
predictions for the
enormous green-
possibility of the
believes microfilm
at Obninsk in the
year 2000: world-
houses to feed
teledactyl, a device
will take over from
Soviet Union, with
wide wireless com-
mankind and flying
which enables doc-
books. People would
physicists predicting
munication, ready
machines gliding
tors to make diagno-
soon be looking at
the nuclear age.
meals, high-speed
over gigantic cities.
ses remotely and
words on a projec-
Even cars would
trains and televi-
allows them not only
tion screen rather
soon run on nuclear
sion.
to see patients but
than on the page.
propulsion. The idea
also touch them
of the flying car
using robotic arms.
takes hold around
He continues to
this time.
believe in this vision
until 1975.
32 PEOPLE
David K. Foot, Professor Emeritus of Economics
at the University of Toronto, has been exploring
for more than 30 years how changing demographics, especially the aging of the massive
baby-boomer generation and the coming into
the marketplace of their children, the echo generation, is redefining society’s needs. Prof.
Foot contends that demography explains twothirds of everything – whether the subject is
business planning, marketing, human resources,
career planning, corporate organisation, the
stock market, housing, education, health, recreation, leisure, or social and global trends.
Change cannot be avoided, but it can be prepared for and managed. With an understanding of demographics, a business, an individual
or a government has a strong foundation upon
which to build.
He is the author of the best-selling books Boom
Bust & Echo: How to Profit from the Coming
Demographic Shift and the updated paperback,
Boom Bust & Echo: Profiting from the Demographic Shift in the 21st Century.
More information on Prof. Foot can be found
on: www.footwork.com
“What if?” is the question mankind has always asked.
People used to ask priests, astrologers or fortune
tellers to see what the future held. In later times it was
scientists making the predictions.
1967
1972
1986
1999
The American futurologists
‘The Limits to Growth’
The reactor catastrophe at
The IT guru Ray Kurzweil
Herman Kahn and Anthony
appears, a famous study
Chernobyl encourages the
predicts most people will
Wiener look forward to the
commissioned by the ‘Club
development of new
be wearing a voice-oper-
year 2000. They predict the
of Rome’. It warns of a pos-
methods for estimating the
ated computer next to their
rise of China and Europe,
sible breakdown in the
impact of new technologies.
body by 2009. The long-
with the USA and the Soviet
global order if we use up
term prediction is a fusion
Union on the decline.
raw materials and water too
of man and computer.
quickly, create excessive
environmental pollution and
allow the world’s population
to boom.
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