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1 Christer Fritzell Dept of Pedagogy Växjö University A contribution to the European Conference on Educational Research, University of Lisbon, Portugal, 11-14 September, 2002 Pedagogic practice and deliberative democracy Introduction During the course of modernisation it seems that a major problem facing educational systems in Western societies had to do with growing difficulties in transforming structures of pedagogic practice in accordance with social and cultural changes in society at large. The traditional value basis of schooling has been subjected to disintegration with regard to traditional world-views, further pronounced by multi-cultural influences, and teachers and pupils are now faced with a situation in which the basic tasks seem to be vastly redefined. An established focus on subject matter, which could previously be sustained by implicit cultural values and latent social sanctions, is apparently becoming very hard to maintain. And many pupils seem to be lost in late-modern conditions of highly flexible and increasingly individualised structures of teaching and learning. During the second half of the last century the problems of educational democracy attracted an intensified significance in many European countries, as well as in the USA. Social and cultural change placed systems of schooling under pressure of growth and new demands as to the development of both fair and competitive comprehensive schools. If in modern society democracy is to be taken as the very epitome of the specific values that are supposed to do the job of holding people together as a society, such hopes were also to a substantial degree built into the basic ideals of education, as was succinctly formulated already by John Dewey in a well-known passage almost a hundred years ago: The devotion of democracy to education is a familiar fact. The superficial explanation is that a government resting upon popular suffrage cannot be successful unless those who elect and who obey their governors are educated. Since a democratic society repudiates the principle of external authority, it must find a substitute in voluntary disposition and interest; these can be created only by education. But there is a deeper explanation. A democracy is more than a form of government; it is primarily a mode of associated living, of conjoint communicated experience (Dewey, 1916/1997, p 87). However, the operational meanings of fine words like these are not easily laid open. It rather seems that in many educational and pedagogical discussions of democratic ideals and aspirations, with their particular value bases as to ethics and moral virtues, the pitfall of what could be called "abstract normativism" is more of a rule than an exception. By this I mean that interest is directed to highly general and ideal notions of what needs to be done in educational settings, but without much attention paid to the harder issues of how this could actually be carried out. It is often very easy to criticise and pity the present condition, especially among the young, and mass media are more than helpful in providing the "facts" of moral decline and lack of discipline. Of course, everyone would like to see a more favourable situation, and good hopes are always appreciated. In such discourse, exchange of abstract condemnation and wishful speculation tend to exclude analysis, and the actual practice of teaching and learning in schools tends to slip far away…. 2 If traditional values grounded in religious and ideological beliefs are loosing their capacity to provide spiritual meaning as well as practical co-ordination in day-to-day activities, the question arises as to functional alternatives, also as a basis of educational ambitions. Of course social integration is pursued in many ways, perhaps most comprehensively in modern society by means of two basic forms of steering; on the one hand political and bureaucratic and on the other hand economic and market-based. Legal and administrative rules and regulations as well as financial transactions tend to control ever larger sections of everyday life. So also in systems of education, and it seem that the last decades have seen these "steering-media", as they are called by Habermas (e g 1987), grow in importance in the structuring of schooling. In such processes human action is framed in forms of rationality in which basic cultural values are not easily identified or acknowledged. The co-ordination of social activities may be accomplished and sustained largely by the proper adjustment of functional consequences, and topical interpretation in terms of cultural values may be of little significance as long as the results meet such functional requirements. It seems that in late-modern systems of schooling these forms of rationality often tend to dominate in conflicts of social roles as well as in the social construction of prevalent concepts of knowledge. So in departing from abstract normativism, a more concrete pedagogic analysis will need an elaborate frame of reference with regard to the historical development of modern society, with its cultural differences. In such an analysis problems concerning secularisation and social differentiation, globalisation and multi-culturalism as well as a number of other aspects of pluralism would probably have to be closely attended to. It seems however a safe assumption that traditional perspectives related to homologous world-views can no longer be adhered to in the pursuit of a legitimate value-basis of comprehensive schooling in Western countries. At the same time as the extreme division of labour and fragmentation of functional relationships underpin highly generalised norms, the actual content of central values like individual freedom, responsibility, tolerance, solidarity and so on may seem to descend into obscurity. If concepts like these are nevertheless needed in relation to education in general and basic schooling in particular, an obvious problem centers on tenable ways of turning them into some kind of tangible reality in the pedagogic practice of teachers and pupils. Likewise, this task seems to entail enormous complications when it comes to interpretations of their explicit formulation in policies and theories. While teachers and pupils no doubt often act out the values of democratic education, it seems that efforts to actually pinpoint and communicate the meaning of democracy in pedagogic practice constantly run into dead-locks of one sort or the other. Yet if schooling is supposed to pursue not only knowledge and skills, but also cultural and moral values connected with the ideals of democracy, the practical implications in concrete contexts will have to be dealt with. This is also the task of a research and development project to be discussed in the paper. The aim here is to give an overview of the social philosophical and theoretical basis of the project with particular attention to the issue of turning abstract ideals into practical reality. In the following, concepts of democracy pertaining to general school curricula in relation to practical pedagogic ambitions are described and analysed in terms of moral development and citizenship. On the meaning of educational democracy 3 Perhaps the basic meanings of democracy are hard to pinpoint because they are so important to all of us. Educational democracy is no exception. Educational democracy is certainly a complex and multi-facetted concept, and democracy can even be considered the most important aspect of education, particularly at the level of basic schooling. And democracy may well be seen as the very epitome of schooling in modern society insofar as it is supposed to characterise schooling in all its aspects. This ideal notwithstanding, the concept of educational democracy is contested, and there seems to be a plethora of interpretations competing for influence in educational theory and practice. Quite a lot of research has been carried out on questions of democracy related to the establishment and development of more comprehensive systems of national schooling. Wellknown contributions in this area are connected to names like Plowden, Jencks and Coleman, and they have doubtless been very influential in terms of state policies in many countries. Here, democracy was looked upon as a matter of the availability and distribution of education to the population at large. How is schooling to be made available to all? What are the best ways of differentiation and selection in terms of both efficiency and welfare? Questions like these were raised in research and debate on the importance of education in the creations of greater equality and democracy.1 Education was approached as a social "system" in relation to other systems, primarily work and the labour market. Schooling was typically seen as a major stepping-stone on the road from family life to professional life. Democracy in this context was often considered a matter of how these systems were functionally connected in view of opportunities and difficulties for various social groups. Thus a major issue turned on how educational systems could compensate for inequalities in pre-requisites or differentiate fairly with regard to outcome and effects. Another point of departure has been to approach the issues of educational democracy in terms of individual freedom and liberal ideals concerning the possibilities for single individuals to choose according to their own interests and needs. The qualities of schools concerning flexibility and individualisation as to both form and content were observed, and a democratic value was attached to the degrees of freedom of choice when it comes to decisions on what subjects to study in what ways, and so on. I would venture to say that in very broad terms the problems of educational democracy have been approached largely from these two points of departure; on the one hand analyses of systems of schooling in terms of equal opportunity, differentiation and in general the relationships between schooling, family and work, and on the other hand, matters of individual freedom as to the catering for individual needs and the possibilities for individual choice. It also seems that these major approaches to the problems of educational democracy fall back on two basic ways of apprehending democracy in society at large. I am thinking here about the two general models of democracy that can be called the representative and the participative. Thus, and again in very general terms, it could be argued that studies on equal opportunity, distribution etc within schooling rely on notions of representative democracy in which the task of polity is to maintain such educational systems in which the will of the people is properly, i e democratically, expressed. The form and content of education will then have to be adjusted to needs and requirements from this point of view. On the other hand, 1 For an overview, see Gutman (1999). 4 notions of participatory democracy are easily detected in many studies that focus on individual freedom of choice and the possibilities to pursue individual interests in education. Important as these kinds of studies on educational democracy obviously have been and are in policymaking on many central matters of educational interest, they share a critical shortcoming in the specific context of practical pedagogy. Thus while they may provide essential information on sociological and psychological aspects of democratic education, they may have little to say about pedagogic democracy in the practical activities of teachers and pupils. In effect they tend to evade questions like: What is in fact pedagogical democracy within particular systems of education and after individuals have made their choices? These kinds of questions seem more to the point within a third major conception of democracy, which has been widely discussed during the last few decades, and I am referring here to deliberative democracy. Some have even argued that there has been a "deliberative turn" in theories of democracy (e g Dryzek, 2000). In deliberative democracy focus is placed in possibilities of solving problems and making decisions by means of rational discussion and exchange of well-grounded opinions. By sharing arguments in communication, democratic intercourse is seen as a practical means of reaching agreement on matters of common concern.2 It is not very difficult to justify the effort to translate the political terms of democratic deliberation into educational ones. For instance, Amy Gutman in a well-known analysis in this field points to several important issues concerning democratic education on the basis of a widely accepted liberal perspective: Deliberative decision making and accountability presuppose a citizenry whose education prepares them to deliberate, and to evaluate the results of the deliberations of their representatives. A primary aim of publicly mandated schooling is therefore to cultivate the skills and virtues of deliberation (Gutman 1999, p xiii). While few educationalists are likely to oppose to this aim of developing democracy in and by deliberative processes of schooling, teaching and learning, the question of how this could actually be done in practical terms is hardly settled by this positive attitude. And although deliberative democracy certainly may seem especially interesting in the context of education and schooling since is points our attention to the basic question of the very meaning of democracy in the actual, practical, day-to-day activities, feasible pedagogical models may still seem far from obvious. In many respects, the actual reality of schooling tends to appear distant from even weak forms of deliberative intercourse. Perhaps some educationalists in contemplating the possibilities of deliberation in that context would rather agree with Schauer (1999, p 17) in that "the resistance of other members of the community to even our strongest arguments is a continuing and puzzling frustration". A project to assess democratic competence in schools 2 Deliberative democracy has been discussed from various points of departure by for instance Bohman, J (2000), Chambers, S (1996), Dryzek, J S (2000), Elster, J (1998). 5 At the Department of Pedagogy at Växjö university in Sweden a project is under way in which basic issues of democracy are raised in the context of social and cultural transformations and with an ambition to maintain a clear relationship to pedagogic practice. The project, which is financially supported by the National Agency for Education, addresses questions like the following: How could the concept of democracy be defined and applied in the concrete practice of comprehensive and upper secondary forms of schooling? How could abstract aims as to ethical and moral development in general curricula find their way into the practical everyday procedures of the classroom? Is it possible to establish fruitful and legitimate criteria of "democratic competence" as a means of turning vague ideals into tangible goals? How is it tenable from the standpoint of pedagogic theory to pursue a highly value-laden aim like democracy in terms of educational competence? And is it at all possible to assess "democratic competence" in pedagogically sound and reasonable ways? So what we intend to do -in all modesty- is to try to analyse some implications of questions like these. The theoretical basis is developed from considerations of pedagogic practice as a communicative endeavour, of discourse ethics as a way towards principled moral reasoning, and of deliberative democracy as a possible model of teaching and learning. Focussing on the social philosophy and critical theory of Jürgen Habermas, pedagogical analysis is approached as a basic matter of cultural reconstruction and individual autonomy. Step by step, very abstract theses are subjected to pedagogic interpretation in order to approach more concrete and practically tangible principles and criteria. Thus our approach is discursive and deliberative. We presuppose that dialogue and argumentation are always better than power and coercion, and that this distinction needs to be made in educational contexts. Also, we presuppose that human beings, including children and young people, can change their standpoints and priorities on account of qualified conversations. We look upon democracy, like Dewey in the quotation above, as something more than just a way of steering and influence, but at best as something shared and continuous in our experiences. We also agree with Dewey in maintaining that there is still a need for a deeper basis of public discourse in society at large: The essential need, in other words, is the improvement of the methods and conditions of debate, discussion and persuasion. That is the problem of the public (Dewey, 1927/1991, p 208). To stress dialogue and consensus does not in our view presuppose some idealist vision of a lack of conflict on basic issues of education. To the contrary, we grant that conflict as well as deficits in knowledge and competence constitute the very points of departure of education, but precisely as starting points of pedagogical processes of shared understanding. The question does not concern the substance of consensus, but how a pedagogical dialogue is to be carried out. We presuppose that in pedagogy there has to be an orientation towards shared understanding, precisely in order to acknowledge and proceed from a state of actual difference and lack of understanding, which may motivate the efforts in the first place. What we are after are pedagogical ways of relating to each other in which the parties speak - and listen- to each other in qualified ways, since …deliberation is essentially intersubjective, not in the sense that all our moral principles must acquire the consent of every other person but in the sense that our honest deliberations must include what others could, would, or do say against our positions (Chambers, 1996, p 148). 6 Three steps towards a theoretical model of pedagogic democracy On the discursive road from abstract principles to concrete practice I would like to structure my arguments in three steps. The first is concerned with the concept of pedagogy as such, and the conviction that traditional and still influential conceptions need to be questioned from the very basis of democratic learning. Dominant notions of pedagogy, and even more so didactics, are steeped in conceptual frameworks of asymmetrical relationships in which "influence" is the basic "telling term". Thus pedagogy is supposed to be about systematic influence in accordance with established aims and objectives. It is interesting to take notice here that democracy is also about influence, but there seem to be significant differences with traditional notions of pedagogy as far as the actual agents of influence are concerned. Thus while pupils and students are supposed to have a democratic right to influence, they are not exactly the main source of influence in the context of pedagogy. Here they are rather to be subjected to the influence that is in the hand of teachers. So while pupils are seen as the pedagogical objects of influence, they are supposedly also democratic subjects of influence from other points of departure. So here we have a variation of the classical Menons paradox pointing to the need of conceptual clarifications with regard to basis notions of knowledge and learning. In our project approach pedagogy is at bottom something intersubjective taking place in human relationships. Social-philosophically we place pedagogical phenomena at the heart of the relationships between the individual and society. Methodologically we stress the importance of observing the tension between the normative and the empirical in pedagogic settings. Thus when we speak about "democratic competence" we refer to functional relationships between individuals and socio-cultural settings, and we aim to study those pedagogical activities in which democratic relations develop among pupils and teachers. We refer to pedagogic practice as those structured and structuring social activities in which functional relationships between individuals and their cultural surroundings are constituted, changed and developed. We presume that aspects of the democratic structuring of pedagogic practice relate to democratic learning and integration. We further presume that human language is the prime medium of these processes, and that pedagogic interaction is primarily, but certainly not exclusively, discursive. Step 2 in the present model builds on the "linguistic turn" in social theory and takes advantage of developments in conversational analysis and speech pragmatics. In particular, we relate to the theory of communication and discourse that has been presented by Jürgen Habermas.3 So the intention is to develop a frame of reference on this basis with an explicit view to the pedagogic interests. We focus on the pragmatics of speech in the social and cultural exchange of pedagogic interpretations. And we try to analyse pedagogic activities in terms of forms of rationality, with specific reference to Habermas´s conception of communicative action: …I call interactions "communicative" when the participants coordinate their plans of action consensually, with the agreement reached at any point being evaluated in terms of the intersubjective recognition of validity claims. …. Those claims are claims to truth, claims to rightness, and claims to truthfulness, depending on whether the speaker refers to something in the objective world (as the totality of existing states of affairs), to something in the shared 3 Central sources of inspiration are, as to theory of communication e g Habermas (1987) and, as to discourse ethics e g Habermas (1995a). For a summary of central aspects see e g Habermas (1998). 7 social world (as the totality of the legitimately regulated interpersonal relationships of a social group), or to something in his own subjective world (as the totality of experiences to which one has privileged access (Habermas, 1995b, p 63). Of particular interest here is the meaning of communicative rationality in contradistinction to forms of instrumental and strategic rationality. This distinction is inferred from differentiating concepts of integration in society, basically social and system integration in Habermas's terms, in their relationships to a two-sided conception of society as system and life world. We maintain within the project that these basic distinctions are central to pedagogic analysis, in relation to their dialectical interaction and to differentiated contents of teaching and learning.4 In his further elaborations of communications theory, Habermas has substantially contributed to what has been known as "discourse ethics", where the development of social morality is analysed from a number of different points of view. In the specific context of democracy a conceptual connection can be made to one of the fundamental, and most controversial, aspects of discourse ethics as discussed by Habermas, the so-called U-principle: "Every valid norm must satisfy the condition that the consequences and side effects its general observance can be anticipated to have for the satisfaction of the interests of each could be freely accepted by all affected (and be preferred to those of known alternative possibilities for regulation" (Habermas, 1995a, p 32). The philosophical focus of discourse ethics may be seen as geared towards the possibility of a "moral standpoint" based in solidarity and impartiality. The just demands and needs of everyone are to be taken into account in the pursuit of generalised norms. The principle does not favour any particular norms except the ones related to the procedure of justification as such. The moral standpoint involves a process of abstraction in which personal positions are transgressed in a bid for an overall interest concerned with social and cultural values. How far such ideals can be pursued in actual practice is an empirical question, pointing to the contextual conditions of contingent discourses. On the background of the regulative ideals of the U-principle, the actual situation as to possibilities of including relevant perspectives and positions will have to be assessed. And, of course, in a practical setting valid norms may often seem to contradict each other. In actual discursive practice such pragmatic conditions will have to be taken seriously: Only those norms can claim to be valid that meet (or could meet) with the approval of all affected in their capacity as participants in a practical discourse (Habermas, 1995a, p 66). So while the principles of discourse ethics seek moral impartiality and just norms in a procedural orientation, morality is also seen as having a cognitive basis in so far as the validity of norms is taken to be a matter of rational argumentation. Here, the criteria of reversibility, universality and reciprocity of participants’ perspectives are supposed to hold true (op cit, p 122). Gutman and Thompson (1996) place the concept of reciprocity at the centre of their theory of deliberative democracy. They refer to "the capacity to seek fair terms of cooperation for its own sake"(op cit, p 52), and argue that the outcome of deliberation becomes binding for the participants in and by its basis in mutually acceptable claims and agreements. That discursive 4 See Fritzell, 1996. 8 exchange may have binding, or bonding, effects is also en essential aspect in Habermas's theory of communication in that: …speech act offers can develop an action-coordinating effect only because the binding and bonding force of a speech act that is both understandable and has been accepted by the hearer also extends to the consequences for the sequel of interaction that result from the content of the utterance - whether asymmetrically for the hearer or the speaker or symmetrically for both parties (Habermas, 1998, p 223). This speaks for the pragmatic value of establishing and maintaining specific socio-moral relationships in human communication. Gutman and Thompson (1990) ask how authenticity can be approached in terms of the ways in which participants in deliberation present their own moral position, and they suggest three indicators of respect and impartiality: The first is that the position of the other must be given moral status even if it tends to contradict one’s own. The second involves openness and a willingness to change opinion in view of good arguments. The third indication is that debate is entered with an orientation to reach agreement. With similar pedagogical implications, Chambers (1996) considers the relationship between "know-how", as a practical competence, and "know-that", as an aim within philosophy. She argues convincingly that philosophy is needed to clarify the impartiality of the moral position as described by Habermas. It seems that her picture of such "know-how", like Bohman´s (2000) reflections on the principles of dialogue, point to important ways to justify the interest in deliberative conversations from a pedagogical standpoint In our project step 3 towards a useful model of practical democracy involves a more elaborate effort to turn the general concept of deliberation into a pedagogic concept. The basic notions of communication and discourse are to be further qualified and related to pedagogic concerns. On the basis of discourse ethics and communication theory, as outlined above, notions of deliberation in political theory are connected to a normative basis of pedagogic democracy. In public discourse, it seems that the concept of deliberation is used to mean either a thoughtful consideration of alternative views and possibilities when an individual makes up his or her mind about something important, or a public, open and critical exchange of standpoints and perspectives in the context of reasoned debate and collective will-formation. It is the latter meaning, which is of interest in our project. The overall position implies that deliberative communication entails that participants are respectful and open to other positions than their own. There is a need for equality in such communication as far as the condition of taking turns in speaking and listening is concerned. Each and everyone should have his or her say, but should also be asked to provide proper justifications for positions taken. Each contribution should be considered important on rational grounds, and arguments are not to be discarded until adequately presented and understood.5 5 Habermas analyses the concept of deliberation in relation to other important perspectives, eg the ones presented by Joshua Cohen and Robert Dahl, in order to specify the procedural view on deliberation in terms of rules of communication and social structuring (see in particular Habermas, 1999, ss 305-306, 316). 9 However, in contradistinction to deliberation in general or in the particular context of political theory, the task within pedagogy is not only or even primarily to find agreement in common decisions, to persuade by strategic arguments in order to form common opinions, and so on. Although such processes of collective will-formation and decision-making have their place also in education, the pedagogic interest has another focus. Here the primary task is rather to be seen as the promotion of learning. Pedagogy does not aim at mere consensus, but the agreement will have to satisfy reasonable criteria of learning. Thus what is needed is some kind of practical conception of the basic educational interest of what could be called "deliberative learning". From this point of departure we may consider how individuals in social discourse critically test and strengthen their cultural convictions in ways that satisfy conditions of actual learning. Learning in this sense implies that the "agreement" pursued in deliberative discourse will have to be qualified as a principled conviction among the participants. It is not enough that an individual agrees with others, by external influence or otherwise, but he or she should be convinced that learning has actually taken place. This may appear as an unwillingness or inability to return to previous positions and forms of understanding the matter at hand. Thus learning in a cultural context manifests itself in person’s acknowledgement that there are good grounds to assert that her or his present form or level of knowledge is better than the one maintained before. In such a case it may also be possible to explain to someone else why the present situation represents progress with regard to cognitive, instrumental, moral, expressive positions and so on. Socio-moral competence may then develop in a pedagogic setting insofar as moral and normative stances are discursively well founded. By engaging in structured dialoque, implicitly or explicitly concerned with what is true, right, beautiful, authentic and so on, pupils in discourse and of course by the participation of teachers and other knowledgeable adults, may reach progressively better cognitive standpoints and moral positions. Or so we would at least argue in the project under consideration here. Turning normative theory into practice The critical point in all of this is of course how more or less abstract principles could possibly be turned into practical use in pedagogic settings. To supplement the conceptual analysis as described above, the project has ventured to approach this task from a more practicecontingent, or contextual, point of departure as well. Thus groups of pupils and teachers have been asked to provide input for the construction of authentic situations in schools where some sort of moral dilemmas are involved. These situations are depicted in short video clips, in which pupils and professional actors bring out the moral implications in very open-ended ways. The filmed sequences are shown to groups of pupils who in subsequent discussions are asked to find some kind of solution to the moral dilemmas. These discussions, in their turn, are subjected to analysis on the basis of the theoretical principles and criteria as to deliberative qualities and democratic competence. In this way theory and practice find their relationships in what is supposed to be a meeting of general values and specific contextual conditions. Thus democratic competence is not considered an individual accomplishment but a relational phenomenon where competence presupposes corresponding social and cultural ramifications. Democratic learning is considered in terms of socio-moral development among groups of pedagogic actors, i e teachers and pupils. Our assessments will therefore focus on forms of pedagogic practice and their actual and potential capacities to involve and promote deliberative learning. In the contextualised presentations, we aim to picture pedagogic 10 situations and activities, which tend to provoke socio-moral reasoning and an orientation towards agreement concerning competence-based solutions. To make assessments of democratic competence in this way, some kind of process-related principles are needed with regard to the judgement of what is better or worse. No matter what specific measurements are used, we need some sort of standards to evaluate different qualities of socio-moral competence in these activities. Here we focus on procedural aspects of the pedagogic implications of socialisation as to how moral development can be reconstructed as a matter of such forms of learning that successively transcend the conditions of previous forms. To do this we have been inspired by the theory of moral development that has been presented by Lawrence Kohlberg. 6Although explicitly departing from his positions concerning ontogenetic and universal levels of human development, with their ideological and sociocultural complications, we maintain that his overall interpretation of moral development can be put to practical use in our context. So when we try to extract a social-philosophical core in his reasoning we end up with a simple picture of socio-moral development in what we call three "quality levels": At quality level 1 the participants base their actions on the unreflected following of rules and strategic adjustment to contingent conditions in order to achieve personal gains or avoid aversive results. Rules are seen as relevant due to the threat of punishment, and norms as active only in and by their consequences. For example, the use of cell phones in the classroom is taken as a mere matter of keeping it out of the teacher’s view. At quality level 2 the social setting is important but mainly as a framework of behavioural expectations and social sanction. Rules are supposed to be followed equally by all in the adjustment to social roles and loyalty to established norms. Social justice and solidarity still do not appear as guiding values. For example, the sound of a cell phone may be considered a sign of someone’s poor respect for the rules. At quality level 3 the interaction among the participants is based on the mutual recognition of certain general rights and universal principles, which are taken to apply equally to all. Action is supposed to be taken due to reflected insight and solidarity with basic values. Norms will have to be justified in concrete contexts to support emancipated positions. For example, the use of cell phones in the class is considered unacceptable on account of its potential disruption of more essential pedagogic conditions of learning. On this basis of quality levels we will further need some sort of observable criteria to indicate the character of the pedagogic practice under scrutiny. If, for example, a group discussion is proceeding towards quality level 3 we need to assess concrete manifestations of deliberative learning. Then, how cound significant aspects of deliberation in pedagogic practice be delineated? In view of the arguments presented above we could say that a deliberative dialogue would ideally involve the consideration of as many aspects of the issue at hand as possible, that everyone is invited to freely have his or her say on the matter, to raise new questions and to ask for justifications, and so on. Unfamiliar perspectives and points of view need to be taken into account, and possible conflicts recognised and decided upon in an open and constructive 6 See e g Kohlberg (1981). 11 way. Everyone concerned, even if not present, should be paid respect and foreign interests taken seriously. Not least important, the personal integrity and honesty presupposed in everyone’s talk will have to be countered by similar demands as to the active listening to the contributions by all participants. On such a basis we suggest that pedagogic deliberation, as a qualified dialogue focussing on knowledge and meaning, involves the following aspects; -that "everybody" has a voice in group deliberation among students and teachers, that everybody is allowed to participate, that everybody is able to participate, that everybody is willing to participate, that departures from the ideal model are understood by and acceptable to everybody, and that everyone is learning. These are the criteria presently under consideration in the project. Together with teachers and pupils they will be subjected to further elaboration towards a framework of deliberative assessment that appear reasonable in the pedagogic contexts at issue. Conclusion In our effort to contribute to pedagogical practices in which deliberative democracy plays an important part, we emphasise forms of dialogue that focus on critical analysis and a sociomoral orientation towards well-founded agreement based on individual convictions. Within such communicative forms of rationality the question "why?" is constantly present, and the pedagogical discourse is positively open-ended in that there are no "right answers" as in many situations of traditional teaching. Of course, as a matter of principle the choice of a deliberative model of interaction is not a priori better than other forms of democracy. Sometimes there are perfectly good reasons to settle for another, for instance majority rule. But on the other hand, there is a priori no way to know in advance which model of democracy that matches a particular situation better than another. What is to some a simple question of voting may be an important question of principle to others. Perhaps the essential task is precisely to determine which kind of issue is at hand, and which kind of democratic model that is proper in various pedagogical situations. In any event, competence in this respect will include an appreciation of the possibility of a deliberative approach, and to handle the pedagogic event as a matter of democratic principle in the concrete situation at hand. Thus there is a meta-level to consider here in the sense that the pros and cons of different approaches need to be acknowledged in the group in order to proceed with the actual task. This common ground might be an agreement on substantive generalizable interests, or it might be an agreement to disagree, or an agreement to settle for a compromise, or an agreement to allow a majority vote to decide the issue, or it might turn out that there simply is no common ground. But even in cases where there is no common ground, especially in such cases, we should keep our disputes within the bounds of fair communication. If we do not try to persuade and reason with each other, then we are left with the option of forcing and coercing each other (Chambers, 1996, pp 162-163). 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