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Howard Panter, theatrical ambassador Howard Panter, the head of Ambassador Theatre Group, has more clout than many higher-profile impresarios David Teather The Guardian, Friday 10 September 2010 Photograph: Graeme Robertson Asked what productions he has enjoyed lately, Howard Panter, the joint chief executive of Ambassador Theatre Group, plumps for one of his own shows and, apparently without guile, does a bit of name dropping. "All My Sons I liked," he says, "which, I know, I have got a vested interest in. David [Suchet]'s performance – you think 'ah, he is really getting up there with Scofield and is really getting up there with Larry'. I went to drama school with David, so I am a little bit biased, but I mean, he is really a mature artist now, which is fantastic." Although virtually unknown among the public compared with Andrew Lloyd Webber or Cameron Mackintosh, Panter and his wife Rosemary Squire, the co-founder of Ambassador, are arguably the most powerful figures in the business. Actor Simon Callow was best man at their wedding and another close friend, Panter says, is Billy Elliot director Stephen Daldry, whom they worked alongside to raise money for the Royal Court redevelopment. Panter evidently has theatre in his veins. He musters his best businesslike self for the interview, talks about databases and "vertical integration" (owning both theatres and productions). But as the line of questioning softens into friendly gossip, he veers from blokey to theatrical camp, dropping in the odd "dear" and "love". From his neat offices above Leicester Square tube station, Panter can take an easy amble through the mob of tourists to some of Ambassador's most prized possessions. Among others, the business owns the Piccadilly, Phoenix, Savoy and Playhouse theatres, as well as the Donmar Warehouse, and a portfolio of regional playhouses, including the Theatre Royal in Brighton, the Milton Keynes Theatre and King's Theatre in Glasgow. Panter and Squire underlined their status as the first couple of theatreland when they completed a £90m deal last year to buy the stable of venues owned by Live Nation. Recent productions have included The Misanthrope, featuring Keira Knightley ("wonderful, wonderfully professional") and the musical Legally Blonde. On Broadway A bear of a man, Panter, 62, talks with gusto and has the kind of projection that could reach the cheap seats, even though he maintains he never wanted to be an actor. Instead, he did almost everything else: stage management, lighting design and directing. He met Squire 30 years ago, when she was working in the box office at the Queen's Theatre, where Panter was producing Patricia Routledge in And a Nightingale Sang. It flopped, but they eventually married. They opened their first theatre in 1992 in Woking, and three years later added the Ambassadors in London. The company is now about to open its 40th venue, in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, with a production of Swan Lake. Panter is eager to talk about the project, the Waterside, which he has a contract to manage – his company holds a mix of freeholds, leaseholds and management contracts. He mainly wants to shower praise on the councillors who have made the venue work despite local sniping and the headwinds of a downturn. He eschews comparisons with Lloyd Webber and Mackintosh. "They run personal fiefdoms. They personally both made a fortune. Cameron has made a lot of money out of three shows – good luck to him. I, effectively, am an employee. I created the business with Rosemary, but I am an employee. I get on with Andrew well, he is a nice bloke, loves theatre, bonkers of course, but a nice man." Panter is unapologetic about the number of musicals Ambassador puts on. "We are more like the BBC than a niche publisher. We do everything from Panorama to Eastenders, because we have 400,000 seats a week for sale." The company, he says, has a vested interest in developing new serious talent and cites a production of Elling, based on a Norwegian film, commissioned by Ambassador and put on at Trafalgar Studios. The show is moving to Broadway, with Brendan Fraser and Denis O'Hare (like a good promoter, Panter never mentions a play without telling you the stars). "It will be only the second Norwegian play to go on Broadway since Ibsen," he says. He is also looking for another space in London for companies that don't usually get a chance to perform in the West End, particularly international companies. In any case, he adds, the musical is not an example of some kind of artistic bankruptcy. "We are going to be bringing over the Lincoln Centre's wonderful production of South Pacific – extraordinary moving piece of work, basically about men at war," he says. Only with some nice songs? "Mr Hammerstein and Mr Rodgers knew a thing or two about creating wonderful music, yes, but the core of it is that it is about something. It is wrong to lump all musicals together." He says theatre has remained robust during the recession. "Once about every 18 months I am asked about the death of theatre," he says. "Well I can take you around London if you like, show you some boarded up factories, show you some boarded up offices, some boarded up shops – can't actually show you some boarded up theatres. Can't think why that is, other than from Grecian times onwards, it has been that unique experience of stories told to us in a darkened space, our stories, and that is something that is in our DNA." Married to Rambert He says attendances in the West End in the first half of the year are up 1.75%, while Ambassador theatres are up 5%. According to published accounts, the firm last year turned over £72.6m and lost a little over £500,000. The firm invests around £3m-£5m a year in upkeep of its listed theatres. But the main focus is developing a distribution network between regional theatres in Britain and North America, which would host touring productions. Panter is also looking to buy other venues in New York, Berlin and Sydney. The advantage of owning venues and producing, he says, is the ability to control the quality of the work. "Of course people like Shakespeare were good at vertically integrated models, writing, acting and owning the theatre." He worries about the impact spending cuts will have on the arts – he is also chairman of the publicly funded contemporary dance group the Rambert Dance Company – but he says the bigger names are likely to be inventive and chart a way through. "I am more troubled about – and I make this up because I don't know if such a place exists – the Huddersfield Art Gallery, because I suspect they are less able to fundraise and create inventive initiatives than the Donmar [in Covent Garden]." For now, though, Panter is focused on his own fundraising. "I have become married to Rambert," he says. "We are building on the South Bank, and we have about £19m to raise, we are about halfway there. We have a site behind the National Theatre, part of the Coin Street community [development trust]. Iain Tuckett, who runs Coin Street, happens to be, by wonderful chance, a contemporary dance fan, and we need a new home because our studios are falling down in Chiswick. "I say Rambert is the national theatre of contemporary dance and there isn't a proper home for contemporary dance on the South Bank and we will be it. So if you've got a few bob around you, I am looking for £19m," he says, letting out a belly laugh.