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ROUNDTABLE SPECIAL FEATURE INTERVIEW Why listed infrastructure is at the core Can listed infrastructure be complementary or act as a proxy to direct and fund investments in a portfolio? Jeremy Anagnos, CBRE Clarion chief investment officer – infrastructure, takes us through the possibilities Q In a listed environment, you are able to reposition your portfolio exposure to either capitalise or to move away from changing risk dynamics” 50 INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTOR In our last conversation, you mentioned that there is a learning process involved in utilising listed infrastructure to fill the core bucket. What does that learning process entail? JA: Investing in listed infrastructure is a good way to gain exposure to the asset class and its unique investment characteristics. I think there will always be a need for a process to explain to investors that holding a basket of listed infrastructure securities for a long-term period, as an investor would in a fund or direct investment, provides that investor with a core infrastructure return. Investors will find that the underlying investments in this listed space fall into the core infrastructure basket – the types of assets (airports, toll roads, pipelines, water utilities, electric transmission, wind and solar power contracted generation) that investors are paying for in the market today. Moreover, they will find that the performance of the listed companies is driven by those assets and thus, you have a proxy for core infrastructure investing, with certain benefits and risk differences from direct or fund investing. Q What are some of the benefits of investing in listed infrastructure? JA: Exposure to listed infrastructure provides investors with the investment benefits of the underlying assets with better liquidity, transparency, diversity and less leverage than investing in unlisted funds. The listed market is very broad and diverse. We’re talking about existing core infrastructure assets that you’re able to access in a way that is immediate, scalable from very small amounts to very large amounts, and provides access to the same exposure. You are not having to go and find new investments for each additional dollar, you’re just bringing it across the same pool of securities and buying more shares. It’s a highly-liquid investable market of infrastructure securities with nearly $3 trillion in market cap, and the companies operate with fairly low to moderate leverage. The leverage ratios on the public market tend to be about 35 to 40 percent loan-to-value. By comparison on the private side – certainly in fund vehicles – they are generally using higher levels of leverage, up to 55 and 60 percent, so you have a higher level of risk in the underlying vehicle structure as opposed to in the listed market. Q What would you say to investors who believe they already have their fill of listed infrastructure through their global equity bucket? JA: An investment via a global equity allocation is not an optimal way to gain exposure to the asset class. When investors are thinking about making an allocation to an asset class, they are seeking to get a certain exposure to a risk-return profile. If you think of some of the overlap of global listed infrastructure stocks to, let’s say, the MSCI World Equity Index, you’re talking about less than a 5 percent overlap. In many cases, your exposure could ANNUAL REVIEW | MARCH 2016 SPECIAL FEATURE be far less than that and certainly not in a directed way, considering a company’s valuation and risk profile consistent with the way a dedicated infrastructure investor would analyse it. Q Are listed infrastructure investments more risky than direct investments? JA: If one measure of risk is standard deviation of the returns, then on that metric, listed infrastructure is going to ultimately look riskier because of liquidity, pricing and immediate availability of valuation data. So that standard deviation will appear higher for listed infrastructure than direct. But there are other ways to think about that risk because there’s a risk to being locked into an investment for a long holding period in a direct investment or a fund vehicle, when regulation, political agendas, technology, interest rates and other factors can change and impact the risk and return profile of your investment. In a listed environment, you are able to reposition your portfolio exposure to either capitalise or to move away from changing risk dynamics. Q Considering listed infrastructure investments allow trading ‘all day long in real time’, does that mean investors should view them any differently than their direct and fund investments, from a strategic point of view? JA: I believe listed infrastructure can be viewed as complementary to unlisted in terms of allowing an investor to either increase or decrease their allocation over time. It allows a more dynamic allocation process and when investors think about their holding period for infrastructure, they should be looking at the overall return over that period and their exposure in the listed markets similar to what they’re looking at in the direct markets. Such that if you remove the daily valuations and you go 52 INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTOR It’s a highly-liquid investable market of infrastructure securities with nearly $3 trillion in market cap, and the companies operate with fairly low to moderate leverage” to annual valuations for the listed market, you would have a much lower realised volatility, similar to the direct market, with a more comparable risk-return profile. Q What are some of the key themes in the contemporary listed infrastructure market? JA: The overall environment is one of low growth, low inflation and low commodity prices. Investors are seeking the infrastructure asset class for predictable returns and listed infrastructure is very well positioned for this. The companies own a very large base of existing infrastructure assets that are ageing and require updating and replacement. This ageing infrastructure has unfortunately been in the headlines in the US more recently, with the contaminated water in Michigan and a gas storage leak in California, which highlight that we’ve got very old infrastructure needing replacement. The investment that will be required is substantial and recurring. Listed companies will undertake this investment, earn a regulated return on the investment in excess of their cost of capital leading to consistent and predictable earnings growth. Related to that, there’s a very significant change going on in the energy landscape. At the Paris summit last year, 196 nations signed an agreement to limit noxious emissions to try to limit global warming. The global trend is to reduce the amount of carbon that we have going into the atmosphere. You’re going to have a tremendous amount of investment globally to bring on natural gas-fired generation, which is far less polluting than coal, and renewable investments, such as wind and solar power generation. Listed infrastructure companies are at the leading edge of this investment theme and will benefit from the consistent earnings growth generated by the attractive returns on these investments. Q What is CBRE Clarion’s nearterm outlook on the listed infrastructure market? JA: For 2016, we’re expecting listed infrastructure, which produces about a 4 percent dividend yield, to grow that dividend to 7 or 8 percent and offer attractive double-digit returns. These will be supported by the consistent and stable investments that companies are undertaking for ageing infrastructure and new energy infrastructure investment. Those themes carry on into 2017 and 2018. And finally, given the amount of capital that is trying to gain exposure to infrastructure, increasing allocations and the overall scarcity of good quality core infrastructure assets, I think that investors are going to increasingly look to the listed infrastructure market to help them meet that allocation. So we see more capital coming into the listed infrastructure market. n SPONSORED BY CBRE CLARION ANNUAL REVIEW | MARCH 2016