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Draft Minutes of OASIS TOSCA TC Meeting
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tosca/event.php?event_id=35867
DATE: 2014-07-03
TIME: 12pm (ET)
Scribe: Karsten Beins, Fujitsu
Meeting was quarate: YES
Observers: none
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Approval of Minutes
The chair motioned for the below draft minutes to be approved. Seconded by Lowell Higley.
Date of meeting: June 19th, 2014. Motion PASSES by unanimous consent.
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53413&wg_abbrev=tosca
Approved Agenda:
Based on review and discussion of the proposed agenda, the chair motioned for the below
agenda to be approved. Seconded by Paul Lipton. Motion PASSES by unanimous consent.
Other Motions and Results (broken out from below):
Action: Thomas Spatzier to post the current working document on TOSCA Simple Profile in
YAML as WD02 (redline and cleaned-up version) in Kavi, in order get TC validation of the
output and direction of the ad hoc group.
Paul Lipton motions for the TC to support the SC-approved short abstract and long abstracts at
www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53479&wg_abbrev=tosca and
www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53430&wg_abbrev=toscainterop,respectively, for use at the ODCA 2014 Forecast Conference and other TC-approved
public activities. Seconded by Richard Probst. Motion PASSES by unanimous consent.
Motion to Adjourn:
MOTION to adjourn by Simon Moser. Seconded by Thomas Spatzier. Motion PASSES by
unanimous consent. Meeting adjourned at 1:36 PM ET
Raw Chat Log:
2014-07-03 GMT-08:00
[08:32] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Hello and welcome to today's
meeting of the TOSCA TC! Please note that we use a new phone bridge, web
conferencing, and chatroom. This information was privately communicated to
all members. If you do not have this information, please send an email to the
co-chairs using the email address that you are registered with at OASIS
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When you join the meeting, use this page to record your attendance by
clicking "Record My Attendance". If you are not on the internet, you can
request the co-chair to record your attendance on your behalf. APPROVED
LEAVES OF ABSENCE (for the minutes as per OASIS process (and to be helpful
for planning)): Jacques Durand LOA for TC meetings on June 26 and July 3
Frank Leymann LOA for TC meetings June 26 through July 17 THANKS AGAIN TO ALL
OUR SCRIBES (LAST SIX VOLUNTEERS BELOW)! * Efraim Moscovich - 19 June * Steve
Fanshier - 12 June * Jacques Durand - 5 June * Sundaresh Chandrasekha - May
29 * Jesus Molina - May 22 * Frank Leymann - 8 May SCRIBE QUEUE (please
volunteer for a future meeting in the chat room or speak up now!) * Chip
Holden- 26 June * Karstein Beins - 3 July !!! Today's meeting: Please
Use Simon's phone and bridge !!! D O N O T P O S T BRIDGE/PHONE
INFORMATION TO CHAT OR MAILING LIST. !!! Co-chairs will respond to reminder
requests from your OASIS-REGISTERED email only. ==== Simon is running
today's meeting. I will also join the call. ====
[08:33] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO SCRIBE. WE NEED
SCRIBES FOR JULY 10, 17, 24, 31!
[08:34] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: PLEASE CONTRIBUTE THIS WAY, IF YOU
CAN. JUST RESPOND IN THE CHATROOM, IF YOU CAN HELP.
[08:50] anonymous morphed into Peter Gibbels (HP)
[08:54] anonymous morphed into Simon Moser (co-chair)
[08:55] anonymous morphed into Lowell Higley (CA)
[08:58] anonymous morphed into Alessandro Rossini (SINTEF)
[09:00] anonymous1 morphed into Luc Boutier (Fastconnect)
[09:01] Karsten Beins (Fujitsu) morphed into Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu)
[09:01] Chip Holden (Zenoss): I missed my turn on the 26th so I will
volunteer for July 10th.
[09:02] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Thanks, Chip!
[09:02] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon is asking for further scribe
volunteers
[09:03] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Folks, if you have not scribed
before, I provide a couple paragraphs how-to, and it is very easy!
[09:04] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Luc on the 31st
[09:05] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Next scribe volunteers: Lowell for
July 17th, Luc for July 31st
[09:06] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Alessandro offers to scribe on
August 14th
[09:06] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): We have reached quorum now
[09:06] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: All, we still need a scribe for the
24th. Scribble in the chat, if you can do it!
[09:06] Simon Moser (co-chair): Welcome / Roll Co-chair appoints a scribe
Review/approve draft proposed agenda Review/approve draft minutes * July 3:
https://www.oasisopen.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53413&wg_abbrev=tosca ** Thanks
to Efraim Moscovich for scribing * Informal co-chair remarks ** Also, please
welcome Dmitri Krasnenko from Alcatel-Lucent, Dmitri Krasnenko from AlcatelLucent, and Kapil Thangavelu from Canonical *** This is a new feature. Please
pardon a delayed invitation, if you are a new member. Interoperability
Subcommittee Report * Status and updates from co-chairs (Matt Rutkowski and
Richard Probst) ** 2014-06-30 Minutes: https://www.oasisopen.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53478&wg_abbrev=tosca-interop **
2014-06-23 Minutes: https://www.oasisopen.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53432&wg_abbrev=tosca-interop **
SC-approved short abstract for ODCA 2014 Forecast Conference ** SC-approved
long abstract for ODCA 2014 Forecast Conference ** Suggested motion: The TC
supports the SC-approved short abstract and long abstracts at www.oasisopen.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53479&wg_abbrev=tosca and
www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53430&wg_abbrev=toscainterop, respectively, for use at the ODCA 2014 Forecast Conference and other
TC-approved public activities. Ad Hoc on Container Support, e.g., Docker, and
TOSCA synergies (lead: Hemal Surti) * TOSCA-174 - This issue related to group
activities Marketing and Education Ad Hoc (lead: Karsten Beins) * TOSCA-131 This issue related to all such activities Ad Hoc to Specify Network Features
(lead: Avi Vachnis) * Meeting invitation and logistics (open to all TC
members, of course) * TOSCA-173 - This issue related to general group
activities. Use cases from Derek, Dale, others. Search in JIRA for other
"network" related issues. * TOSCA-175 (Support navigation within the service
template) TOSCA v1.1 NOTE: As always, only JIRA issues will be considered by
the TC for v1.1 document changes (any TC member can create a JIRA issue.
These issues at the discretion of the co-chairs and time permitting. Please
contact the co-chairs if you have technical issues or questions) * Resources
* Current "base" for proposed spec changes, see Candidate OASIS Standard
(public) * TOSCA-108: Catch-all for All Editorial Suggestions That Do NOT
Change Semantics, e.g., spelling, grammar, readability, layout (use for all
v1.1 documents) * Editor's Report * TOSCA-7 (Alternate encodings Service
Templates, e.g., YAML/JSON Newly-Introduced Issues -- Brief Overview for TC
and Discussion *** TOSCA-176 (Add connectivity ability to Compute) *** TOSCA177 (Cardinality for node template) *** TOSCA-178 (Define how an operation
can expose outputs) *** TOSCA-179 (Add "timeout" and "retry" keynames to an
operation) *** TOSCA-180 (Support of secured repositories for artifacts)
WD02-related issues (The below was previously introduced to the TC. Any
questions, suggestions, or requests to discuss further?) Note: Review issues
that are receiving most attention in the YAML ad hoc. Any decisions or
challenges? *** TOSCA-132 (Use "set_property" methods to "push" values from
template inputs to nodes) *** TOSCA-133 (add material for defining a nested
template that implements a node type) *** TOSCA-134 (Define TOSCA version
type based upon Apache Maven versioning) *** TOSCA-135 (Define/reference a
Regex language (or subset) we wish to support for constraints) *** TOSCA-138
(Define a Network topology for L2 Networks, etc.) *** TOSCA-139 (Compute node
scalability should be specified with a Compute node capability) *** TOSCA-140
(Constraining the capabilities of multiple node templates) *** TOSCA-141
(Specifying Environment Constraints for Node Templates) *** TOSCA-142 (Define
normative Artifact Types *** TOSCA-143 (Define normative tosca.nodes.Network
Node Type) *** TOSCA-144 (Update Ch 6, Example 5, "Template for deploying a
two-tier application servers.on two") *** TOSCA-145 (Update Ch 7, Example 6,
"Template for deploying a two-tier application on two servers.") *** TOSCA146 (Define a grammar for each property function and provide examples) ***
TOSCA-147 (Define grammar for and examples of using Relationship templates)
*** TOSCA-148 (Need a means to express cardinality on relationships) ***
TOSCA-149 (Create an independent section to describe a single requirement
definition's grammar) *** TOSCA-150 (Work towards a common syntax for
Requirement definitions) *** TOSCA-151 (Resolve spec. behavior if name
collisions occur on named Requirements ) *** TOSCA-152 (Extend Requirement
grammar to support "Optional/Best Can" Capability Type matching) *** TOSCA153 (Define grammar and usage of Service Template keyname) *** TOSCA-154
(Decide how security/access control work with Nodes, update grammar, etc.)
*** TOSCA-155 (How do we provide constraints on properties declared as simple
YAML lists) *** TOSCA-156 (Are there IPv6 considerations (e.g., new
properties) for tosca.capabilities.Endpoint) *** TOSCA-157 (Can/how do we
make a property defn. "final" or "read-only") *** TOSCA-158 (Provide prose
describging how Feature matching is done by orchestrators) *** TOSCA-159
(Describe how not all interfaces need to supply scripts (artifacts), it is a
no-op behavior) *** TOSCA-160 (Need examples of using the
"tosca.interfaces.relationship.Configure" interface) *** TOSCA-161 (Need
examples of using the built-in feature (Capability) and dependency
(Requirement) of tosca.nodes.Root) *** TOSCA-162 (Provide recognized values
fo tosca.nodes.compute properties: os_arch) *** TOSCA-163 (Provide recognized
values fo tosca.nodes.BlockStorage: store_fs_type) *** TOSCA-164 (Do we need
a restart lifecycle operation for nodes?) *** TOSCA-165 (New use case /
example: Selection/Replacement of web server type) *** TOSCA-166 (New use
case / example: Web Server with (one or more) runtimes environments) ***
TOSCA-169 (Resolve text and grammar for the "get_ref_property" function) ***
TOSCA-170 (Explicit textual mention, and grammar support, for adding
(extending) node operations) WD03-related issues (New or Ready to be
Revisited -- Overview for TC and Discussion/Questions) WD03-related issues
(The below was previously introduced to the TC. Any questions, suggestions,
or requests to discuss further?) *** TOSCA-167 (New use case / example: Show
abstract substitution of Compute node OS...) *** TOSCA-168 (New use case /
example: Show how substitution of IaaS can be accomplished) ** TOSCA-126
(Specifying connectivity to endpoints hosted outside a Service Template) **
TOSCA-127 (Conventions for provisioning network connectivity for Service
Templates) ** TOSCA-114 (Composite Capabilities and Requirements) ** TOSCA-12
(Basic Node Types) -- also related is TOSCA-11 (Lifecycle Operations) -Simple Profile, essentially TOSCA v1.0 * TOSCA-171 (Various v1.0 spec bugs) *
AOB REMINDER: While a general approach can be decided by motion, specific
proposals and contributions need to be JIRA issue
[09:07] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon moves to accept agenda as
posted, seconded by Paul
[09:07] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): No discussion, agenda accepted
unanimously
[09:10] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Link to minutes: Latest TC-approved
Working Draft (WD01) from: http://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/TOSCA-SimpleProfile-YAML/v1.0/csd01/
[09:10] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon moves to accept posted
minutes of TC meeting June 19th, seconded by Lowell
[09:11] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): No discussion, minutes accepted
unanimously
[09:11] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Note: link in agenda to minutes is
correct.
[09:11] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon thanks Ephraim for having
been our scribe
[09:12] Efraim - Scribe morphed into Efraim (CA)
[09:13] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Moving to interop SC report
provided by Richard
[09:15] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Interop preparing two actions for
ODCA Forecast event: (a) panel discussion (b) kiosk-based showcase at
showfloor, self service-based, incl. option for TOSCA people to be around
[09:15] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Interop SC is working to prepare
video for ODCA Forecast
[09:17] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Characteristics of video: not like
interoperability demo's (see Eurocloud) but short sequences / stills
[09:18] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Suggested motion: The TC supports the
SC-approved short abstract and long abstracts at www.oasisopen.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53479&wg_abbrev=tosca and
www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=53430&wg_abbrev=toscainterop, respectively, for use at the ODCA 2014 Forecast Conference and other
TC-approved public activities.
[09:18] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Interop SC already provided an
abstract and a short form, which still has to be approved by the TC
[09:19] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Paul moves so, seconded by Richard
[09:20] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): No discussion. Posted abstract are
approved by the TC with unanimous consent
[09:22] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Moving on with co-chair comments,
by Paul
[09:24] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): headsup that the TC will be asked
more regularly to review and approve working drafts of the Simple Profile adhoc group
[09:28] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Thomas took action to post a
cleaned-up version that can then be approved as WD02
[09:29] Thomas Spatzier (IBM)1 morphed into Thomas Spatzier (IBM)
[09:33] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Paul clarifies that "approving" a
working draft on a regular basis means validation by the TC of small easily
consumable increments
[09:34] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Committee Spec Drafts are different.
They are working drafts that are also milestones approved for more
visibility.
[inserted after the call] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu):
offline comment from Paul to clarify his co-chair comment above:
“Paul's recommendations are almost identical to what the TC did in 2012 and most of 2013, and
mostly clarify/extend what we are doing already:
A) Document revs (almost every week) – TC walk-through of changes every week with some
Q&A, etc.
•
Transparency, democracy, and education well-served
B) Working Drafts (WDs, every 3-6 weeks) - a rev that is formally recognized as “going in the
right direction” by the TC.
•
It validates the output of the YAML and Simple Profile ad hoc with the TC’s blessing (sort
of internal TC milestone)
•
Non-perfect, incomplete, with comments and inconsistencies preserved. Even alternate
text or options allowed.
•
A clean and a redline version (changes since last WD) is uploaded to Kavi to facilitate
understanding
C) Committee Spec Drafts (CSDs, every 2-4 months) – A selected WD that enjoys a higher level of
standing and publicly posted by OASIS
•
A clean and a redline version of the spec is provided to facilitate understanding of
changes since last CSD
•
Non-perfect, incomplete, but a represents a more substantial milestone. Strip out the
comments.”
[09:40] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon moves on to briefly discuss
TOSCA-174 (Container Support)
[09:42] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Tabled for this meeting since Hemal
could not attend this TC meeting. To discuss in next TC meeting if / when
regular reports of this ad hoc to the TC seem appropriate
[09:43] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon moves on to Marketing and
Education Ad Hoc report (TOSCA-131)
[09:50] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Karsten provides verbal ad hoc
group update
[09:51] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: Folks, please consider joining any ad
hoc group where you have interest.
[09:52] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Marketing and Education Ad Hoc
milestone has been accomplished to provide input needed by the Interop SC to
prepare for ODCA Forecast event
[09:54] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon is moving on to report of Ad
Hoc group to Specify Network Features
[09:54] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Avi provides an update
[09:56] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Derek explains one of the current
challenges is to express structural elements in YAML
[09:59] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon moves on to discussion in
context of the ad hoc for alternative encoding
[10:01] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Thomas explains aspects of
BlockStorage use case
[10:07] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Thomas explains re-usable
relationship templates
[10:09] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Three options are shown, currently
under discussion
[10:10] Paul Lipton (co-chair) private: I heard Moshe speaking in favor of
option 1
[10:16] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Thomas speaks in favor of option 1
as well, and sees a potential disadvantage of option 3 (blurring the
locations where to expect requirement definitions in a TOSCA template)
[10:17] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Derek explains that sometimes
things become more complex when multi-inheritance is needed
[10:19] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Thomas shows a few charts to
illustrate the concept of Type, Template and Instance for clarification
[10:30] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Derek raises the question if we
actually need relationship templates?
[10:32] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon has to suspend the ongoing
intense discussion as the scheduled end time of the TC meeting has been
reached
[10:33] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Thomas encourages every TC member
to join the TOSCA Simple Profile ad hoc discussion next week
[10:33] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Simon moves to adjourn the meeting,
seconded by Thomas
[10:34] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Accepted with unanimous consent
[10:34] Karsten Beins (Scribe - Fujitsu): Meeting is adjourned 1:36p.m. ET